Friday, August 17, 2007

Pat Condell's Back

Message From Pastorius
Welcome all you BNP people. Gee, I guess I ought to be happy to feel blessed with the traffic I'm getting from your website. But, guess what? I'm not!
Please, grow up, and form a political party that REALLY stands for Freedom!
The leader of the BNP, and he is your leader whether you want to admit it or not, is a Holocaust Denier, and probably a Jew-hater.
Fuck Nick Griffin, and I hope the BNP is ground into the dust of history!!!
(thanks to The Bournemouth Nationalist for pointing out that I left one of the o's out of the word Holocaust, and thanks to "Anonymous" for pointing out that I spelled his name wrong the first time)
Islam in Europe and the political whores who enable Sharia Law:





"Americans think Europeans are spineless, and I think they're right." "We're governed by unprincipled, vote-whoring, cultural apologists who can't wait to dismantle our heritage..."

Crossposted at The Dougout

41 comments:

Bald Headed Geek said...

Absolutely fabulous! Thanks for alerting me to it! Great blog!

BHG

Bald Headed Geek said...

As well, I have added you to my blogroll......

BHG

Pastorius said...

Well put, but I don't agree that we need to eliminate all religions. Instead, it seems to me we need to ensure religious freedom, and Freedom of Conscience for all human beings. People ought to be free to be Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Atheist, Agnostic, or whatever, as long as it does not oppose on the choice and property of others.

In other words, and here is a criticism which I think is fairly leveled at my chosen religion, Christianity, quite often, if a person is gay, they ought to be free to be gay. Christians ought to allow them to be gay. Christians ought not hound people out of public office for being gay. Christians ought not cast aspersions on gay people for being gay. That is, actually, not very "Christian" in my opinion.

But, let's face it, the typical American Christian opposition to homosexuality, in my opinion, is quite another matter from the kind of problem the world has with Islamofascism.

To conflate the two problems and say that we need to get rid of all religions is sheer idiocy.

There are problems with all religions. Hindus have rules about the treatment of women which are barbaric, and yet most Hindus no longer follow them. Buddhist, because of their doctrine of the peaceful acceptance of pain, have created cultures of aquiescence in which much barbarity remained unchallenged. Judaism has adherents to this day who literally make the women sit at the back of the bus.

Yuo see, all those things are medieval. They do lead to barbarity.

But, they are all violations of the Freedom of Conscience of all human beings.

That's why the motto of this blog is:

"All of us, every single man, woman, and child, on the face of the Earth was born with the same unalienable right; to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And, if the governments of the world can't get that through their thick skulls, then regime change will be necessary."

As far as I am concerned, anyone who can't get that through their thick skull needs to have their inner regime changed.

Don't Tread On Me!

Pastorius said...

Oh, by the way, I listened back, and now I recognize that more specifically, what Mr. Condell is saying is that "relgion has no place in maintaining social order."

Ok fine. How does one mediate this?

Obviously, powerful people, politicians, CEO's, Boards of Directors, and other organizers and administrators of "social-order" make decisions which are informed by their various faiths, or lack thereof. And, there is no way to avoid that.

Pat Condell needs to choose his words more carefully.

He is usually very good at that. I think he failed here.

Still, it is a damned good video.

Anonymous said...

Excellent video, first class.

The islamic obsession with hanging sodomites is matched only by the jewdeo christian obsession with recruiting them (or creating new ones in the case of the catholic church). Neither religions should be tolerated in a modern European civilization. Personally I'm sick of all this dark age nonsense.

We are where we are precisely because we have allowed moral disintergration and the liberal egalitarian myth to take the place of all that represents goodness and decency. Had we continued in the way of the morals and standards our forebears created in the face of wars famines and pestilences we would not now be plummeting back to the stone age.

To quote a somewhat apt biblical metaphor, we are reaping what we have sown. If it offends someones sensibilities tough luck, it's time to put an end to all this once and for all, by whatever means.

Anonymous said...

@ Pastorius
While Pat Condell may be saying things about Islam that find favour with you, do have a look at the whole of his video output on LiveLeak. You will find that he is equally vicious about Christianity given half a chance; its just that the Islamics are poking their heads up more vigorously at present. The man is an avowed atheist, and the comfort that Christians derive from his videos should be tempered by that knowledge.

Pastorius said...

Fred,
That is what I suspected, and that is why I left such a specific and long-winded "rebuttal" to his video.

Thanks for letting me know.

IBA is NOT a Christians website. We are an "Infidel" website. People are free to post here as they please. I do not tell them what to do, unless they begin to threaten, or use racist language.

Anonymous said...

If you want to denounce the BNP's leader, at least get his name right, you muppet.

Anonymous said...

Great post!!!

Fred you twat. I'm an atheist, and I helped found the site with Pastorius (christian) and J (Jewish).

An avowed athiest.. Christ you make it sound like devil worship. Get a grip.

I think "organised" religion has lot to answer for. But, as an atheist, I can see that those who follow the teachings of Jesus are generally very good people. Unlike fanatical mohammedians. It's just a pity many "christians" seem to ignore jesus and follow the old testament!

Islamism is a genuine problem. For me Christianity is more of a philosophical problem.

Anonymous said...

Liek Pastorius said, this NOT a christian website. Or an American one. It is an international response to Islamic fundamentalism and all it entails. But in the eyes of Al-Qeada and Islamic fundamentalists we are all the same -- Kuffar.

Everyone is free to comment here. It's very hard to be in complete agreement with everything someone says.

Anonymous said...

So somebody is a muppet anon because there's a spelling mistake on the name, or because someone is pointing out that Nick Griffin has also denied the holocaust?

Pastorius said...

Anonymous,
Thanks for pointing out my spelling error. I fixed it and gave you credit.

By the way, I'm an American. What is a "muppet"? I'm not familiar with the term.

Anonymous said...

"Muppet" favourite degroatory term of the chav

Pastorius said...

So, does that mean I'm an "idiot"? Is that what it means?

If so, ok, I'll cop to it.

Pastorius said...

Urban Dictionary definition of "Chav":

"this a young lad about 12 years of age and 4 ½ feet high baseball cap at ninety degrees in a imitation addidas tracksuit, with trouser legs tucked into his socks (of course, is definitely the height of fashion). This lad is strutting around, fag in one hand jewellery al over the over, outside McDonalds acting as if he is 8 foot tall and built like a rugby player, when some poor unsuspecting adult (about 17/18) walks round the corner wanting to go to mcdonalds for his dinner glances at the young lad, the young lad jumps up in complete disgust and says “Whats your problem? Wanna make sommin of it? Bling Bling” when the adult starts to walk towards the young lad, the young lad pisses himself and runs off to either his pregnant 14-year-old girlfriend or his brother in the army crying his eyes out."


That's not quite me.

Idiot, sure. Chav? No.

Anyway, it was good of Anonymous to help me out as he did. Lord knows, I need it.

Anonymous said...

Pastorius, I dont think the anonmous at 9.52am is the same as the one as posting the day before. Did you look up muppet?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=muppet

If someone called me a muppet I'd knock them out...

Pastorius said...

Well, I'll let my record speak for myself.

I am an idiot of sorts, but the guy can go on Google, and google the name Pastorius, and he'll find my writing all over the place, and then, he can decide whether I'm an idiot, or not.

The Bournemouth Nationalist said...

You also spelled Holocaust wrong.

Pastorius said...

Thanks!

See, I am an idiot.

Anonymous said...

We are all idiots now

In solidarity with Pastorious

Pastorius said...

Thanks Jonz.

The truth is, I am not Albert Einstein, or John Locke, or any genius at all.

And, I am an American, so I am not exposed to Nick Griffin's name very often, so I forget how to spell it. And, I don't know the difference between a Griffin or a Griffith. I would imagine they come from different areas. And, all of you Europeans would know that, but we Americans do not know such things.

It's like how my Irish friend tells me he knows where a guy is from if he says his name is Mac, Mc, or O'something.

I have no idea what the hell he is talking about.

Additionally, I will admit that when I typed that out, I was a bit angry, because I really am just tired of the BNP. And so, I was typing fast and furious and I left the o out of Holocaust.

So sue me. It's easy to do here in America.

And, I'm rich too. So, you can get a lot of money.

:)

Pastorius said...

Yeah, I know all about it, but thanks for the links, for anyone who isn't familiar with what I am talking about here.

BFB said...

Pastorius,

Why are you tired of the BNP? Do you have a problem with a British political party that stands up for the rights and interests of the indigenous British people?

The BNP are the only party in Britain who oppose mass immigration/multiculturalism/political correctness, all the things that allow the festering scab of Islam to thrive on our shores.

AND YOU ATTACK THEM!

By your own admission you know very little about Nick Griffin, and therefore the BNP, so I assume your 'holocaust denial' crap comes from Wikipedia or some other ill-informed source. For your information Nick Griffin has questioned the official story regarding the "6 million" figure which hardly makes him anti-Jewish. I question the official story of 9/11, but I am not anti-American.

People like you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. You attack the BNP because it's "trendy" and relatively safe to do so. This helps no-one but the Marxists and the Islamists.

No-one has done more than Nick Griffin and the BNP to bring the dangers of Islam to the attention of the British people, and that takes guts in a Marxist dictatorship like ours.

Pastorius said...

BFB,
You sound like a smart guy, so why don't you and I try to have an intelligent conversation rather than all this bullshit that's been going on at this thread. How's that?

(And, by the way, what I mean by intelligent is, let's dispense with the name calling, and the simple accusations.)

Ok, so you say I attack the BNP because it's trendy and easy to do so.

No, I'm sorry, my friend. That is not the reason I attack the BNP. From my perspective, which is an admittedly pro-American perspective, the BNP is a racist party.

First off, here's why I think Nick Griffin is a Holocaust denier (and you are more accurate in pointing out that he is a kind of Holocaust minimizer):

(From the Observer)

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/race/story/0,,604018,00.html

"Even by the standards of the extreme Right, he's something of an extremist. He raged at David Irving when the fascist historian admitted that the Nazis had killed a few Jews (although not, for I wouldn't wish to offend the litigious Irving, in the mythical gas chambers of Auschwitz).

The modest concession was a shameful betrayal of Holocaust denial, said Griffin. 'True Revisionists will not be fooled by this new twist to the sorry tale of the Hoax of the Twentieth Century.'

Griffin's mentors are from the terrorist wing of Italian fascism. He's a supporter of Colonel Gadaffi. In the 1990s, after transient success in the East End of London, he defined the party's alleged appeal and philosophy thus: 'The electors of Millwall did not back a Post-Modernist Rightist Party, but what they perceived to be a strong, disciplined organisation with the ability to back up its slogan "Defend Rights for Whites" with well-directed boots and fists. When the crunch comes, power is the product of force and will, not of rational debate.' "

I've read article after article of this nature about Griffin over the years.

Additionally, when I go to the BNP website I see ads for companies like "Great White Records."

Great White Records is white music, for white people, by white people.

Boy, that's great.

Who cares if a person is white? What does it matter?

What matters is if a person is willing to work hard, live by the laws of the country, and contribute.

I have been to the UK (many of my relatives live there, in fact, they are British themselves) and what I saw was a mixture of native British people, Asians (Chinese, Viet Namese, Korean, Filipino), Arabs, Pakistanis, Indians, and Africans.

We have that here in America too.

I have no problem with any of these people, except for Muslims. (And let me be specific: I have no problem with Muslims who put away the barbaric strictures of Sharia, and choose to live by American laws. I only have a problem with those Muslims who want to set up an Islamic state within the United States).

Now, of course, most of the Arabs, and Pakistanis, and not a few of the Indians, who move into the UK, are indeed Muslims. And many of those Muslims are a serious threat to the UK.

I have seen the "Undercover Mosque video" and have posted it here multiple times. I am well aware of the problem of radical Islam. Obviously, that is the whole point of this site.

But, I believe the BNP conflates the issue of radical Islam with the larger issue of race.

There, that's my opinion.

What's yours?

BFB said...

Pastorius,

You should think yourself lucky that you are free to express your dislike of Nick griffin and the BNP, Nick Griffin was arrested and put on trial for expressing his dislike of Islam, something you are free to do without fear of persecution.

It is obvious from your comment that it is actually NG you don't like and not the BNP per se. You single out a link on the BNP website (Great White Records) as proof that the party are racists. Isn't that a tad petty? I mean, the rank and file members/activists of the party have no influence over what the party website contains. Besides, isn't it a bit rich to criticize the BNP for having a link to a single organization that represents white music when there are literally hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands of 'racially exclusive' black organizations both here in Britain and in America. Don't you have the MOBO (Music Of Black Origin) Awards over there?

Here is a link to a long list of 'racially exclusive' black organizations that are not only acceptable here in Britain, but in many cases are actually funded by the government:

http://bfbwwiii.blogspot.com/2006/12/bnp-are-racist-because.html

Are these organizations racist?

Don't you have similar organizations in America? Do you post articles on your blog condemning them?

Or can only whites be racist?

Pastorius said...

BFB,
You bring up more good points. Here are my responses:

Do I have a problem with Nick Griffin exclusively? No I have a problem with him and the fact that the BNP puts up Great White Records, and that they have photos of only white people representing them in promo stuff.

Do I believe all members of the BNP are racists? No, definately not. Instead, I think the British people are wedged into a very bad political situation where they do not have a political party which represents their interests, and so they turn to the BNP.

My suggestion? Join Vigilant Freedom. I'll hook you up if you want. Vigilant Freedom is not yet a political party, but it has the opportunity to build something real and important, and their are big names getting behind it. You will see in the coming months.

Am I aware that Nick Griffin is under threat of prosecution for hate crimes? Yes, I am, and I do admire his bravery in standing up to that bullshit.

Would I be so brave? I doubt it. I'm more brave than most, but not as brave as many, and certainly not as brave as him.

Does his bravery mean that he is morally correct on all things? No, and it is certainly not justification for, what I see, as his racism.

Do I recognize that black people in America are actually MORE racist and race-conscious than white people? Yes. And, it would interest you to know that I have been beat up for being white, and it really pisses me off to this day. I was beat up by Mexican gang-bangers, and no one believed that it was race-based, but I know it was, because I know the names they called me.

Do I hate Mexican people? No, I love many Mexican people.

Pastorius said...

First off, as a white man, I am a minority within my own family. My wife is Asian, my children are obviously half-Asian, my sisters kids are black, Chinese, Dutch, and Sicilian (my sister is adopted, so she and I are different races, I am English), and all my other living relatives are Filipino, Chinese and Hawaiian.

So, what do you want me to say? I hate my own family?

I have no problem getting along with people of other races. I am sorry to hear of your terrible experiences though.

I am often told by European people that it is imosssible for people of different races and cultures to mix. That has not been my personal experience, so it is a bit hard for me to believe.

BFB said...

YES...Or ....NO?


Simple Question!

Y....or ....N...?

Pastorius said...

Sorry, my friend, I missed your question the first time.

I read the list. I don't know all the organizations.

Certainly the Nation of Islam is a racist organization, and many of the others are racist.

The NAACP was a black advocacy group which represented black people, and helped establish scholarships for black people at a time when it was rather hard for black people to be accepted into colleges in the United States.

I believed in that organization. Now, I don't know. I have paid no attention to it. It could have mutated.

We have something here in the U.S. called the Congressional Black Caucus. That seems like a racist organization to me.

La Raza and Mecha are racist pro-Hispanic organizations here in the U.S., and I have written about them repeatedly.

I have also written about Jewish organizations and sects which I think are racist and anti-woman.

Do you really expect me to go through that very long list, and investigate every single organization, and make a determination on whether I think they are racist?

That's quite a daunting project you are asking me to undertake.

I am telling you of pro-black and pro-Hispanic organizations which I have spoken out against, so does that tell you what you need to know?

I'm trying to answer your questions as best as I can.

Now, I have a question for you:

What do you think of my family?

BFB said...

Do you really expect me to go through that very long list, and investigate every single organization, and make a determination on whether I think they are racist?

Yes!

You accuse the BNP of being racist because they represent white folks.

Is that the case?

So, what do you make of the numerous black folks who neglect to find a problem with the 'equally' numerous number of organiszations that only represent blacks?

Why are these organizations not 'racist'in your eyes?

If you can't be bothered to go through my list, why should I be bothered to pay attention to anything you say?

We can all play the "I can't be bothered" card.

Pastorius said...

Well, as I stated, I am willing to condemn those black, Jewish and Hispanic organizations with whom I am familiar, if they are racist. I named some who are. You may not be familiar with them because they are American.

In the same way, I am not familiar with all these British Organizations.

I would not be surprised to find that many of them are, indeed, racist. No doubt.

But, it seems you and I are at an impasse.

See ya'.

BFB said...

Will you be slagging off the black/hispanic racist organizations on your main page, like you did the BNP? Or do you only condemn WHITE people who stand up for their rights?

Forget "See ya", I'm not finished with you yet. You wanted an 'intelligent' exchange, you got it!

Anonymous said...

BFB are you an official member of the BNP yourself? If you speak to BNP members the same themes come up time and time again.

They claim to be "anti-zionist", well the clever ones at least. Some openly support fascism, such as Mark Collett. Mark Collett, as you know, is no fringe party member. He is currently Director of Publicity for the British National Party.

He said the streets of 1930's Germany was a far better place to be than on the streets of Birmingham or Bradford, he has swatikas decorating his room.

I'll be posting more, currently researching.

Pastorius said...

I have slagged off the black, Hispanic and Jewish organizations, as I have told you. I don't spend as much time on it, and here is the reason why:

My main concern is our problem with the Muslims. The problem emanates, in my opinion, from the fact that most all Muslims seem to believe that they are part of one Ummah (people), and that those who aren't part of the Ummah, are somehow inferior, or in need of fixing.

Additionally, few Muslims are willing to denounce Sharia law. Specifically, what I look for is that they be willing to specifically clearly denounce the following aspects of Sharia:

1) the stoning of gays, apostates, and adulterers,

2) the subjugation of the burqa (including the hijab and the burqa)

3) the preaching of the waging of violent Jihad.

Ok, so there's my concern.

I understand that, additionally, you are concerned with the out of control, rampant immigration problem which exists in Britain. I am aware of that, and I think it is a serious problem.

And, I recognize that the BNP are the only party who are doing anything about it.

You are probably aware that we have the same problem here in the U.S. We have out of control illegal immigration, and the government is unwilling to do anything about the problem.

Now, here's the thing, the people have actually voted in laws, which the Supreme Court then struck down, which would have dealt with the problem.

So, the issue to me is that our Democracy has been violated.

That's why I believe that our only hope is to create a new and just political party (based off the ideas of organizations like Vigilant Freedom) which will then put forth a platform which people will actually vote for.

I think people would flock to this party, because we have the same problem throughout Europe and America;

the will of the people is not being represented.

Now, the thing about the BNP is that, as you know, its roots are in the National Front, which was an openly racist organization. Of course, stating that fact sounds like guilt by association. But, my point is, the shift in rhetoric from being an openly racist organization, with no connection to the National Front type ideology, really only happened I believe around 1999.

And, Nick Griffin, and many other party leaders from the time prior to 1999, are still central to the power structure of the party.

Therefore, I do not trust the BNP.

I've asked some of my British counterparts to come and help me with this conversation. There are many things you may want to bring up, if we get more specific, that I would be unable to speak to, not having lived in the UK myself.

Anonymous said...

I have a continuation post from this here

BFB said...

WOW, you have managed to link the BNP to the National Front. Pat yourself on the back!

"Race" is a side issue, the fact is that indigenous white Britons will be in a minority by 2006 if present immigration trends continue.

That worries me, and I don't care if it doesn't worry you.

The BNP get my vote regardless of what your ilk might think.

My nieces are more important than your multicultural Utopia...and always will be!

Pastorius said...

BFB,
Multiculti Eutopia?

That's something I fight against also.

Melting pot?

That's something I fight for.

The distinction, to me, is one is race-based, and one is ideological.

Here in America, we have this idea that one is American if one thinks like an American, and comes here and decides to live by the law, and contribute.

Race does not matter much to us.

I went to a baseball game last night for instance. Saw the Yankees play. It was awesome. I sat in a crowd of people of all races, and we all had fun together.

We were all wealthy too.

Thing is, the section I sat in, you have to be wealthy to afford.

Ain't that America ...

Anonymous said...

"Grow up, and form a political party that REALLY..."

So what do you think of those "grown up" political parties and their handiwork? Do tell.

How will you make any of those political "grown-ups" give a stuff about your heart-felt video clips? Tell us please. Why not write a draft flyer about it and stand in a local election?

Yes, you've got it by now: politics is the art of the possible, and the FPTP voting system causes stagnant two-party systems, which can only be replaced when voters rebel in favour of the coarse outrider:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

PR would have signalled the voter's intentions much earlier, but the established parties didn't want that. Now did they.

Pastorius said...

Alan,
There is no doubt that, if enough of you Brits vote for the BNP, then that will put pressure on both Labor and Conservative to deal with your issues.

No doubt.

And, of course, you are free to do what you want. I am only expressing my opinion, which I am free to do as well.

Anonymous said...

Interesting thread Pastorius.

I agree with a lot of what you say here.

The problem isnt whether we are black, white, hispanic or oriental, we all face the same problems of a PC world going mad and probably the biggest threat we all face of radical Islam which when coupled with a PC world which dear not criticise it seems to be gaining strength and traction throughout the world.

Look at "tolerent" Malaysia for example.

Pastorius said...

It's good to hear from you, Essex Bloke.