Friday, January 18, 2008

What Do We Do About Ethnic Nationalism

Barack Obama and the people at his church are Ethnic Nationalists. So are the political parties who go by the name of the Vlaams Belang, the British National Party, etc. The foundation of Ethnic Nationalism is racism, and the end of it is fascism.

I hate Ethnic Nationalism with every fiber of my being. I do not hate those who join Ethnic Nationalist parties or churches, but I don't like them very much. I certainly do not think Ethnic Nationalists ought to attain political power. I think their agenda is counter to what we call Democratic Republicanism.

Big fucking deal, right? The question is what do we do about the problem of Ethnic Nationalism? Commenter Cagney, from Little Green Footballs offers this:



One thing that seems to be emerging that there is an issue of identity with folk in Europe and in my home country of the UK. It is a question of how we deal with our imperialist past and the ethnic minorities in our country that emigrated here from former colonies.

The biggest destabilising thing in our transition from a white-only to multi-ethnic society is muslim extremism and integrating muslims into our society. The only solution being offered is multi-culturalism, any alternatives get muzzled by our politically correct and increasingly left-wing biased MSM.

Without the debate of any real alternatives, the far-right has jumped on the anti-jiahdi bandwagon offering white nationalism as a way of dealing with it. With the increasing stranglehold of left-wing bias and political alternatives in the media, there is a chance that more and more people will turn to this white nationalism as the only way of dealing with the issue.

Melaine Phlilips in her article, Liberalism v Islamism, suggested an alternative, pluralism in which:

allows for many different groupings but, unlike multiculturalism, does not try
to impose one uniform status on all of them. It allows a thousand flowers to
bloom, with minorities forming communities of faith, ethnicity or culture within
a society — but under the overarching umbrella of a national identity to whose
core values everyone signs up. It is only by having that overarching set of
common values — monogamy, freedom of conscience, equal rights for women, freedom
of expression —that a society coheres as a common project. And a liberal society
is no exception. If a liberal society doesn’t accept a hierarchy of values, that
there are core principles which are non-negotiable and to which everyone must
sign up, then by definition it can no longer remain a liberal society but must
fragment into a kind of Balkanised tribalism in which the strongest groups win
through intimidation or force.

The ideal solution would be to build a common identity between the majority white and ethnic races. This can be done through nationalism but could it be done through shared cultural identity?

This sounds like pie in the sky niavety stuff and at the moment it is but if it could be forged then it could stop the balkanisation of our country.

The thing I have noticed looking at our cultural mediums, TV, music, films is that we all love American culture. We love Hollywood, American shows are all over our TV schedules and American RnB and Rap dominate the music scene.

The music scene and the subculture is interesting as it is not specific to race as British white, asian and black kids are into it. It is a basis for a common identity that I speak of.

If the ties of the Anglosphere could be strengthened especially with America which is founded on multi-ethnicity it may be a way forward.

Unfortunately I can't see this happening as our political elite, no matter if it is to the left, centre or right sees our future in Europe.


Well, that's one idea. I think much of popular culture is far too shallow a thing upon which to build a strong national identity, but I do believe that for many it is part of our group identity.

In American, our cultural identity is not all founded upon popular culture. It is founded upon the ideas of our Constitution and the Declaration of Indpendence. It is founded upon the blood that was shed during the Civil War. It is founded upon the words of Abraham Lincoln, and it is founded upon the Judeo-Christian tradition.

Certainly, Europe can not instantly import our ideas and live by them. However, Europe has enough going for it that it can form a real identity which is not based upon Ethnicity. Europe, however, does not at this time have the courage of its convictions. Europeans would like to have a society based upon a shared notion of Human Rights. Europeans can even agree on what those rights are. But, Europe is entirely unwilling to demand such a society of their governments.

We took up arms against our morally illegitimate governments on numerous occasions. We fought against King George in our revolution. We fought a Civil War. And we fought for Civil Rights. These were very real rebellions against fascist forces.

Europeans, very likely, are going to have to fight against the fascist forces within their own governments who are attempting to take them into a New Dark Age.

Be ready, my European friends, you are probably going to have to fight. I just hope you do not choose who you will fight by the color of their skin, but instead, by the content of their character.

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

The BNP is inevitably going to be the major counter-jihadist force in the Anglosphere. Its support is doubling every 13 months:
http://isupporttheresistance.blogspot.com/2008/01/british-national-party-support-doubles.html

Snouck said...

Pastorius:
"I just hope you do not choose who you will fight by the color of their skin, but instead, by the content of their character."

Well, in times of crises and upheaval people, ALL people, tend to make friend/foe judgements based on group characteristics. It is only in the circle of friends that some people are able to transcend this pattern of judgement.

In Rudyard Kipling's words:
"Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat; But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, tho' they come from the ends of the earth!

We are not in the time of crises yet but when it comes one can be sure that Kipling's words will be proven yet again.

Oh, and the USA is a part of humanity too.

Not something to be happy or proud about, but it is just the way things stand with humanity.

Regards,

Snouck

Always On Watch said...

Pastorius,
Quite a posting and about the issue which just will not go away.

Certainly, Europe can not instantly import our ideas and live by them. However, Europe has enough going for it that it can form a real identity which is not based upon Ethnicity.

IMHO, this is not going to happen any time soon--if at all.

I'm sorry to sound so negative. I want to be wrong. Oh, how I want to be wrong!

Europe has way more centuries of identification-by-bluebloodedness, a concept rejected by most of America's Founders (one exception being Alexander Hamilton). Now, maybe if the majority of white Europeans fully recognize that their backs, in a cultural and a survival sense, are against the wall, they will realize that they have allies with those who are not white (immigrants who fled Islam and immigrants who have adopted Western civilization as their way of life).

IMO, Europe has lost site of its cultural identity--its ideals. What do they stand FOR? Do they know any longer?

I can't get it out of my mind that the Allied Forces bonded with Stalin to defeat Hitler. Stalin! The Allies accepted one despot to fight another. And the Iron Curtain descended.

Najistani said, The BNP is inevitably going to be the major counter-jihadist force in the Anglosphere.

Frankly, that possibility gives me nightmares. Maybe I'm wrong, but I liken that statment to this one: "David Duke is inevitably going to be the major counter-jihadist force in America." God help us if that becomes true!

I tell all here that I'm worn out with this issue of cultural identity. But I can't just brush the matter aside, even though I find myself nearly puking when I think about the issue! It's too important!

I get the horrible feeling that the West has seen its best days and that for the rest of my life I'm going to have no peace, no halcyon days as I did before 9/11.

I'm really down about all this. If I weren't so tenacious, I'd quit and crawl under a rock.

Sorry for going on and on here.

Epaminondas said...

Hey you're not asking for much. All they have to do is what has never been done by them in 3000 years.

Heck, the Thebians and Spartans hated each other. What are they? 300 miles apart, 500?

Why is that?

Bread with the butter side down?

The USA has barely kept these disgusting forces under control.

There may come a day when we have to take the hand of a Stalin to defeat a Hitler.

But we should all remember the ultimate fate of both. Neither escaped a war with us. One was more unconventional, but grim, none the less.

When the music plays, it's time to dance. But not yet. Maybe never

Anonymous said...

On way out door to work so I have to be brief, but I do think we need to remember that this is a reaction to the Islamist threat on a very gut level. People who are aware of the threat see not only their freedoms and legal systems endangered, but recognize the destruction of the components of their daily lives under those laws and the freedoms they protect. They see it in the burka'd women on their streets, the rape gangs, the bombings, the mosques where hate is preached, the arrogant young Muslim men peeing on their churches as Oriana Fallaci complained about, the fear brought on by a few cartoons, the murders of politicians and filmmakers and authors. Because our educators and politicians and religious leaders are failing us and will not stand up to this threat, the job is falling to others.

Pastorius said...

RRA,
I agree that there is a gut level reaction component to this shift to Ethnic Nationalism. Ethnic Nationalism is gut level because it is instinctual for people to judge based upon race.

However, rape and murder are also instinctual responses.

The goal of humanity, to anyone but a Nietzschean bent on the politics of power, is to transcend the instinctual and build a culture based on justice.

Ethnic Nationalism is not a just ideology, in my opinion.

Pastorius said...

Najistani,

In Snouck's words, that is "not something to be happy or proud about ..."

That being said, Snouck and an awful lot of people are in the boat with you, and are more than willing to go along for the ride.

Pastorius said...

Epa,
Yeah, I'm not asking for much, am I?

;-)

Pastorius said...

AOW,
I often think about quitting, because I find that many of my allies are operating with a view of the world which I find reprehesible.

But, of course, if people like us just shut our mouths, then the Ethnic Nationalists would be the only ones really talking about this issue.

I truly wish people like Hugh Hewitt, Mark Steyn, Robert Spencer, and Andrew Bostom would make more clear where there allegiances lie on these issues.

I believe Victor Davis Hanson has made his opinion very clear.

Pastorius said...

By the way, I remember about a year ago Ralph Peters wrote a column, with which I agreed, about how Europe would not fall because Europe is good at genocide when it needs to be. Peters argued, as I have, that Europe has a habit of going nuts and killing all who are not like them whenever they are threatened.

The Spanish Inquisition (which I maintain was as much a reaction to the Muslims as it was a reaction to a Christian heresy) and the Crusades are just two examples of Europe reacting to an isolated circumstance by killing not only Muslim invaders, but also the Jews and many other groups as well.

The Holocaust, of course, was the same thing, minus the Muslim threat.

It is interesting to note, now with the benefit of hindsight, that many of those who I ally with expressed violent rejection of the Peters article.

It's almost as if they don't want their left hand to know what their right hand is doing when it comes to solving the problem of Islam.

Am I accusing my allies of desiring a genocide, and denying it to themselves?

I am getting almost to that point.

The rejection of blogs like ours, and the acceptance of organizations which are racist and Ethnic Nationalist shows where their allegiances are.

It's disgusting and they ought to be profoundly ashamed of themselves.

Epaminondas said...

Spencer was pretty plain about this, IMHO. He came down on VB and if I remember correctly, wished he had known more BEFORE

Bostom has said nothing (that I know of), and this irks me, although if one could stay clear of this tar baby it would be pleasant.

With yesterday's convergence of VB and the BNP we can see the endpoint clearly. How can a Bostom, or a GELLER line up with that? Inconceivable.

Perhaps the Baron can find some tortuous linguistic construct to make that ok, but it will be awful to behold I am sure, and even more disappointing to those of us here

Do you have a link for VDH's response to all this?

Pastorius said...

VDH has never, to my knowledge, commented specifically on this controversy. Instead, he has made clear over the years that he does not agree with Europe's sense of Ethnic Nationalism. He has made clear that he believes that a the ideal model for a government is one based on ideals, not ethnicity.

I'm with you on the Bostom thing.

By the way, Epa, why do you think Vlaams Belang is able to agree with the Orthodox Jews in Antwerp? Do you think they agree because they are both separatists?

We have seen, in the past, that other Ethnic Nationalists will form alliances with Louis Farrkhan because they agree on separatism.

If we could find that the Jews who are aligning themselves with VB are doing so because of agreement on separatism, then that would be a smoking gun, wouldn't it?

Epaminondas said...

There are some jews who view Israel as only defensible when done in terms of cultural, or religious cohesion. The inevitable end point of all that is that muslims would destroy their culture, and therefore muslims shouldn't be admitted or vote (or prob. own property). The same argument Dewinter makes.
They are mentally deficient.

But no jew will say this just as Dewinter I am sure realizes now what a ginormous error it was to call for 'white europe'.

There are also jews who believe that no Israel should exist until the messiah comes (but if he(she) comes who cares about any of that then?)

There are many more jews who OPPOSE VB because they realize that right after the muslims...they are next. I have linked to some of them in all this somewhere.

Of course, my personal belief is that the world's history makes Israel's existence compulsory, and that land and property rights lost by arabs which can be proven should be compensated at today's values..... AND... that this same principle should be used to settle the accounts of the 750-800,000 jews run off by arabs from 1947-1967.

I believe if we crush the islamozoids over time, that in some future generation a political solution may be possible, but that it will probably be some time after the grandchildren of those who live to see a different Islam are born.

Anonymous said...

Pastorius stated:
**"I truly wish people like Hugh Hewitt, Mark Steyn, Robert Spencer, and Andrew Bostom would make more clear where there allegiances lie on these issues.

I believe Victor Davis Hanson has made his opinion very clear."**

Curiously, you didn't mention Hugh Fitzgerald. Of all the anti-jihad pundits, his points are most clear.

Opinions?

Anonymous said...

Again, this does not feel like the old racist griping about "foreigners" and "colored" of past decades. What this sounds like is the vacuum left by the surrender of Europe's leaders, and the fear and denial of the majority of the population, patrolled by the PC thought police. The people coming to the surface are those who perceive the danger on the lowest level of race and ethnic nationality and who are most willing to fight back in the physical sense if necessary. Those at the more responsible and principled level are not there yet. Perhaps the prospect of being silenced and subjugated isn't quite as viscerally real to them yet because they can't believe that reason and sanity can be so overwhelmed. It's easy to understand, but they need to assert themselves as soon as possible to regain the leadership role in this fight. The danger in Eurabia is civil warfare, which is more likely to come if the racists and nationalists stake out the forefront of the resistance.

In the US, the greater danger at this time is that the vacuum will be filled either by Barack Hussein Obama Bin Lyin' or Mrs. Clinton with her Saudi, um, "aide" in tow, either of which spells the near certainty that our voices will be driven further underground or even silenced. I don't see any equivalent counter-Islam force on a level with the BNP or VB. On the issue of illegal immigration perhaps, but then an equal amount of the racist/nationalist (La Raza, Aztlan, etc.) ugliness is on the other side. But the likelihood of the KKK or Aryan Nations or their ilk filling the vacuum is just about nil.

Front-line fighters like Levant, Steyn, Hirsi Ali, and others are living the future that is coming for the rest of us. We got into the boat with Stalin because our survival was at stake. If it happens again it can't be the David Dukes making the decisions. That must not happen.