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Against Unreasonable Searches and Seizures,
Shall Not Be Violated


Saturday, November 29, 2008

Islamist Assault on India

A reader of Instapundit writes about the Mumbai attacks:

This was not an Al Qaeda operation. This was planned and conducted by Pakistan’s Inter-Service Intelligence Agency.

Initially I thought that such an attack would be too explicit for the ISI. But really, what does the ISI have to lose? What options does India have for retaliating back at a nuclear-armed, Islamist-infested failure of a nation?

An excellent observation in a long post here:

Things with India are extremely different. Here Pakistan’s enmity with India is historic. As a matter of fact, some may say that the very reason of Pakistan’s existence is a rejection of the fundamental principles behind India—secularism, pluralism and equality for all.

[Emphasis mine.]


An asinine post at Lahore Metblogs:

It’s about that the Indian media stop its propaganda and do some soul searching as to the actual reasons behind these attacks. A good starting point maybe, the state of Muslims in India.

DesiPundit has the appropriate response:

So let me get this straight, the way to improve the state of Muslims in India is to get pleasure in killing innocents, target foreigners, and hold a hospital for women & children hostage for hours. If the educated elite in Pakistan is anything like this moron, then I fear for Pakistan.

Most of them do take pleasure in the death of innocents. Ask Pakistanis about how they felt watching thousands of souls being extinguished on that dark September day in 2001. The response is a sick smile.

Latest information:

As of this writing, there were a reported 151 people killed from 11 different countries - though nearly 100 were Indian. More than 300 injuries have also been reported - those numbers may yet rise as several hostage situations still exist in the city.

There are some graphic images at that site.

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Iran furious at peace plan advert bearing its flag - and Star of David

The Islamic Republic shows us just why they call it a "Religion of Peace".

Iran has angrily dissociated itself from Arab and Islamic attempts to publicise an offer to make peace with and recognise Israel.

Officials in Tehran are furious that the Iranian flag appeared on a full-page advert, published in the Guardian and other papers in the Arab world and beyond, promoting the Saudi-brokered initiative.

The plan calls for members of the Arab League to recognise Israel, if Israel withdraws to its 1967 borders and agrees a just solution of the Palestinian issue and a comprehensive peace. It has also been endorsed by the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, of which Iran, along with other Muslim countries such as Indonesia and Malaysia, is a member.

But the Iranian embassy in London protests in a letter to the Guardian today that the Islamic Republic objects "to any move taken by some Arab countries to push the recognition of the occupying Zionist regime in any manner, including in Islamic conferences". It describes Israel as "the illegitimate and fabricated regime" and condemns the "abuse" of its flag.

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Gee, I guess I'm going to have to repeat myself. Here goes:







So, fuck you.

And really, if you don't get it, then watch this fucking video, and stop sending me fucking emails.

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So Called "Brits" Majority of Mumbai Killers

Some reports are saying out of a total of upto 12 terrorists 7 of them are British born Pakistani's. All the newspapers are calling them "Brits" but millions of rats and cockroaches are born in this country but I wouldn't call them British ...

There are probably hundreds if not thousands of "Pakistani so called Brits" training to wage war on us but still the politicians don't get it. They still say we have to improve community relations, to understand them, to build bridges. Bullshit. It's Islam stoopid. The only thing they will understand is death. It doesn't matter whether it's their own death or the death of an infidel but death is in their mindset and no amount of trying to understand or appease them will suffice.

Draconian, undemocratic measures are needed to deal with vermin like these. Just remember this; there's nothing democratic about singling out Americans, Jews and Brits for execution. These people are less than human and do not qualify for human rights protection.

Maybe one of the first things that could be done would be to ban all travel to Pakistan from the UK and to refuse entry to the UK to all those who have included Pakistan in their itinery. No decent person should have any need to go to Pakistan, they produce nothing but terror. No, it won't happen but I can dream can't I?

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Roggio's Mumbai Analysis

At The Long War Journal, Bill Roggio analyzes Mumbai. And concludes it's very different from what we've seen in the past.

The Long War Journal: Analysis: Mumbai attack differs from past terror strikes

Almost two days after terrorists attacked the Indian financial hub of Mumbai, the military is still working to root out the remnants of the assault teams at two hotels and a Jewish center. More than 125 people, including six foreigners, have been killed and 327 more have been wounded. The number is expected to go up, as Indian commandos have recovered an additional 30 dead at the Taj Mahal hotel as fighting has resumed.
The Mumbai attack is unique from past terror strikes carried out by Islamic terrorists. Instead of one or more bombings at distinct sites, the Mumbai attackers struck throughout the city using military tactics. Instead of one or more bombings carried out over a short period of time, Mumbai I entering its third day of crisis.
An attack of this nature cannot be thrown together overnight. It requires planned, scouting, financing, training, and a support network to aid the fighters. Initial reports indicate the attacks originated from Pakistan, the hub of jihadi activity in South Asia. Few local terror groups have the capacity to pull of an attack such as this.
While it is early to know exactly what happened in Mumbai as the fog of war still blankets the city, multiple press reports from India allow for a general picture to be painted. An estimated 12 to 25 terrorists are believed to have entered Mumbai by sea. After landing, he attack teams initiated a battle at a police station, then fanned across the city to attack the soft underbelly of hotels, cafes, cinemas, and hospitals. Civilians were gunned down and taken hostage, while terrorists looked for people carrying foreign passports.
While the exact size of the assault force and the support cells is still not known, police estimate about 25 gunmen were involved in the attack. The number of members of the supporting cells that provide financing, training, transportation, and other services could be two to four times this number. Operational security for such a large unit, or grouping of cells, is difficult to maintain and requires organization and discipline.
To pull off an attack of this magnitude, it requires months of training, planning, and on-site reconnaissance. Indian officials have stated that the terrorists set up "advance control rooms" at the Taj Mahal and Trident (Oberoi) hotels, and conducted a significant amount of reconnaissance prior to executing the attack. If the news about the "control rooms" is accurate, these rooms may also have served as weapons and ammunition caches for the assault teams to replenish after conducting the first half of the operation.

the rest at: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2008/11/analysis_mumbai_atta.php


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The Wages Of American Imperialism

War for Oil, huh? America is an imperialist nation, huh?

I don't suppose we'll be hearing any apologies from dhimwits who said such things.

Iraq says 80 dollars a 'reasonable' price for oil

Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani said on Friday that 80 dollars a barrel is a "reasonable" price for oil and that his country would support any OPEC decision to cut output.

"A reasonable price for oil is 80 dollars a barrel," said Shahristani on arrival in Cairo to attend a consultative meeting by the OPEC cartel to study slumping crude prices.

"We have to make sure that produced oil is used for consumption and not for storing.

"Iraq would support a decision by OPEC to cut output either here or in Algeria," the Iraqi minister added.

Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries ministers are to meet in Cairo on Saturday amid pressure for production cuts to stem heavy oil price losses, which continued to mount on Friday.

Most cartel members appeared to rule out an immediate reduction, preferring instead to wait until the next scheduled meeting in Oran, Algeria on December 17.

So, you see, Iraq, the nation where we, apparently, have been imperialist aggressors, is one of the few members of OPEC who are pushing for an immediate cut in our oil supply.

I guess exploiting the resources of another nation doesn't work quite the way it used to in the old days.

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Mumbai photos

First saw this at LGF. Boston.com has about 35 good photos from Mumbai. Some are very disturbing but must be clicked first to be seen so you can safely skip if no constitution for it. To see pure evil and good people desperately trying to fight it: http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/11/mumbai_under_attack.html


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Friday, November 28, 2008


One of my repeating themes of late here at IBA has been that, longterm, it is not a good idea to bet against the American economy. 


America is a country founded on an idea, that all men are created equal, and have the same unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

This pretty much means we can do whatever the fuck we want as long as we don't interfere with other's property.

So, we are a nation founded on that idea, and built on the ideas that proceed from that one central idea. That central idea means we are endlessly creative, and it is the endless creativity which builds America.

And, it is our endless creativity which will keep growing money. Money grows out of ideas. Commodities are fixed ( except insofar as there are flucturations in supply). The price of a commodity only grows as other ideas grow the economy.

An economy based upon commodities is a fixed, or stuck economy.

An economy based on ideas is a growing economy.

Reliapundit posted this short piece about the oncoming recovery of our economy. Note that the Ditech commercial makes the same point. And note that, as Reliapundit points out, this is why Ditech will be placing their bets on the recovery of the American economy.



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Muslim Pirates Against America

Michael Savage, a member of the top twelve Islamophobes, gives us a little history lesson:

Sponsored by Morocco and the city-states of Tunis, Algiers and Tripoli, the pirates preyed on civilian vessels, plundering their cargoes and kidnapping their crews. "It was written in the Koran...that it was their [the pirates'] right and duty to make war upon whoever they could find and to make Slaves of all they could take as prisoners," the emissary of Tripoli's pasha told a startled John Adams and Thomas Jefferson in London in 1785. The emissary demanded $1 million from the United States — one-tenth of the national budget — to suspend the assaults or face losing the valuable Mediterranean trade, representing one-fifth of all American exports.

Read more: How To Deal With Pirates and Pirates Exploit Confusion About International Law.

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Savaging Ourselves

How in the world will we ever come together to solve our own internal problems, let alone external forces, when we can treat each ther like this? A man trampled and dieing WHILE SHOPPERS CONTINUED TO RUSH IN. For what? To save a few bucks?

I have also seen alternate reports where the 28 yr old woman miscarried or the baby was fine.

I was an Assistant Manager at a small retail store duirng the worst of the Cabbage Patch Baby craze. Shoppers knew when we got shipments and would wait at the door hours before opening. We got rushed, once, and they brought the glass door down.

After that the manager and I would go to those doors just before opening carrying baseball bats. Never had another problem.

This is way worse than that ever was. Priorities in this country are seriously fucked up.

from WABC:

Worker dies in Black Friday store rush
Friday, November 28, 2008 2:54 PM
Eyewitness News
VALLEY STREAM (WABC) -- A Wal-Mart employee died and four others were hurt in the Black Friday rush to get into the Valley Stream store this morning.

The injuries occurred as the shoppers crammed into the Wal-Mart when the doors opened at 5 a.m. Some 2,000 shoppers were waiting to get inside the store for Black Friday sales. Police said the shoppers knocked the man to the ground at 5:03 a.m., three minutes after the store opened.

Kimberly Cribbs, who witnessed the stampede, said shoppers were acting like "savages.... When they were saying they had to leave, that an employee got killed, people were yelling 'I've been on line since yesterday morning. They kept shopping."

A 34-year-old Wal-Mart employee suffered an apparent heart attack and was rushed to a nearby hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

An autopsy will determine the exact cause of death. His name was not released.

Four others were also hurt in the crush, including a 28-year-old pregnant woman. She was taken to a nearby hospital, where doctors determined her baby was fine.

The store was closed to incoming shoppers following the incident. Those already inside were escorted out with their purchases.

The ensuing emergency activity clogged the Green Acres Mall parking lot. The Wal-Mart remained closed while police investigated.

Nassau County police spokesman Lt. Michael Fleming described the scene as "utter chaos." "This crowd was out of control," he said.

Criminal charges were possible in the case, but Fleming said it would be difficult to identify individual shoppers. Authorities were reviewing surveillance video. The store reopened around 1:00 p.m.

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. in Bentonville, Ark., called the incident a "tragic situation" and said the employee came from a temporary agency and was doing maintenance work at the store.
"The safety and security of our customers and associates is our top priority," said Wal-Mart representative Dan Fogleman. "Our thoughts and prayers are with them and their families at this difficult time. At this point, facts are still being assembled and we are working closely with the Nassau County police as they investigate what occurred."


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Somali Pirates Hijack A Chemical Tanker

Is it just me or are Jihadis constantly in the news these days?

I think we know the answer to that.

NAIROBI, Kenya – Somali pirates hijacked a chemical tanker with dozens of Indian crew members Friday and a helicopter rescued three British security guards who had jumped into the sea, officials said.

A warship on patrol nearby sent helicopters to intervene in the attack, but they arrived after pirates had taken control of the Liberian-flagged ship, according to Noel Choong, head of the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Malaysia.

The ship master had sent a distress call to the piracy reporting center, which relayed the alert to international forces policing Somali waters, Choong said. No details about how the pirates attacked or the condition of the crew were available immediately.

Choong said the ship was being operated out of Singapore.

Still on board were 25 Indian and two Bangladeshi crew members, said diplomats who could not be named due to restrictions on speaking to the media. The British security guards escaped by jumping into the water, said a news release issued by their company, Anti-PiracyMaritime Security Solutions.

The company said it was aware of the incident on the chemical tanker it identified as M/V BISCAGLIA.

No mention of what kind of chemicals are on board.

Here's a list of ships being held currently by "Pirates".

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From Reliapundit at the Astute Bloggers:

An excuse that has to be rejected. An attack launched from ships on the high seas, with coordinated strikes against several different targets, was not the work of disaffected amateurs.

The operation has every hallmark of a well-planned military operation. *******UPDATE (Relipaundit): 

Officials in India, Europe and the United States said likely culprits included Islamist networks based in Pakistan that have received support in the past from Pakistan's intelligence agencies.

Analysts said this week's attacks surpassed previous plots carried out by domestic groups in terms of complexity, the number of people involved and their success in achieving their primary goal: namely, to spread fear.

"This is a new, horrific milestone in the global jihad," said Bruce Riedel, a former South Asia analyst for the CIA and National Security Council and author of the book "The Search for Al Qaeda." "No indigenous Indian group has this level of capability
Major terrorist operations require the cooperation of nation-states. It is high time to hold them accountable.

Do you remember what 
Don Corleone told Sollozzo?

"But let me say this. I am a superstitious man, a ridiculous failing but I must confess it here. And so if some unlucky accident should befall my youngest son, if some police officer should accidentally shoot him, if he should hang himself while in his jail cell, if new witnesses appear to testify to his guilt, my superstition will make me feel that it was the result of the ill will still borne me by some people here. Let me go further. If my son is struck by a bolt of lightning I will blame some of the people here. If his plane show fall into the sea or his ship sink beneath the waves of the ocean, if he should catch a mortal fever, if his automobile should be struck by a train, such is my superstition that I would blame the ill will felt by people here."
It's time to get superstitious.

Gunmen who arrived by boats launched attacks on at least seven locations in Mumbai, India, on Wednesday night, killing more than 120 people, authorities say.

By Friday morning, authorities believed militants still were in two luxury hotels and a Jewish center in the city.

The following is what is known about the attacks:

• Gunmen arrived by boats at the Mumbai waterfront near the Gateway of India monument on Wednesday night, police said. The gunmen hijacked cars, including a police van, and split into at least three groups to carry out the attacks, according to police.
THE MOTHER SHIPS MAY HAVE BEEN SEIZED: Pakistani ships seized after Mumbai attacks
The Indian navy has seized two Pakistani merchant ships as authorities try to track down those responsible for the Mumbai attacks.

Authorities believe the Mumbai attackers came ashore in a series of small boats, and all the merchant ships that have passed through Mumbai in the past few days have come under particular scrutiny.

According to Indian news agencies, intelligence sources pinpointed one particular cargo vessel that had stopped there briefly before leaving for Karachi and Pakistan.

By luck, Indian navy and coastguard vessels were engaged in routine exercises off the coast of Gujarat and were immediately dispatched to intercept the vessel.

Both it and another Pakistani freighter have now been boarded by Indian forces, but it is not yet clear if they found anything suspicious on board.




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Waiting for the Other Shoe to Drop

The attack by Muslim terrorists in Mumbai has been compared by the Indians as their 9/11. The question is will they respond in kind. Sand if so, what will be the geo-political consequences? 

STRATFOR issued a Red Alert commenting on the possible consequences. 

If the Nov. 26 attacks in Mumbai were carried out by Islamist militants as it appears, the Indian government will have little choice, politically speaking, but to blame them on Pakistan. That will in turn spark a crisis between the two nuclear rivals that will draw the United States into the fray.

We will begin by assuming that the attackers are Islamist militant groups operating in India, possibly with some level of outside support from Pakistan. We can also see quite clearly that this was a carefully planned, well-executed attack.

Given this, the Indian government has two choices.

First, it can simply say that the perpetrators are a domestic group. In that case, it will be held accountable for a failure of enormous proportions in security and law enforcement. It will be charged with being unable to protect the public. On the other hand, it can link the attack to an outside power: Pakistan. In that case it can hold a nation-state responsible for the attack, and can use the crisis atmosphere to strengthen the government’s internal position by invoking nationalism. Politically this is a much preferable outcome for the Indian government, and so it is the most likely course of action. This is not to say that there are no outside powers involved — simply that, regardless of the ground truth, the Indian government will claim there were.

That, in turn, will plunge India and Pakistan into the worst crisis they have had since 2002. If the Pakistanis are understood to be responsible for the attack, then the Indians must hold them responsible, and that means they will have to take action in retaliation — otherwise, the Indian government’s domestic credibility will plunge. The shape of the crisis, then, will consist of demands that the Pakistanis take immediate steps to suppress Islamist radicals across the board, but particularly in Kashmir. New Delhi will demand that this action be immediate and public. This demand will come parallel to U.S. demands for the same actions, and threats by incoming U.S. President Barack Obama to force greater cooperation from Pakistan.

The Red Alert goes on to say that the last time such a bold terror attack on India was in 2002 and it nearly provoked a nuclear exchange between Pakistan and India

In 2002 there was an attack on the Indian parliament in New Delhi by Islamist militants linked to Pakistan. A near-nuclear confrontation took place between India and Pakistan, in which the United States brokered a stand-down in return for intensified Pakistani pressure on the Islamists. 

In the current iteration, the demands will be even more intense. The Indians and Americans will have a joint interest in forcing the Pakistani government to act decisively and immediately. The Pakistani government has warned that such pressure could destabilize Pakistan. The Indians will not be in a position to moderate their position, and the Americans will see the situation as an opportunity to extract major concessions. Thus the crisis will directly intersect U.S. and NATO operations in Afghanistan. 

The end result of this will not be pretty. 

Therefore the events point to a serious crisis not simply between Pakistan and India, but within Pakistan as well, with the government caught between foreign powers and domestic realities. Given the circumstances, massive destabilization is possible — never a good thing with a nuclear power. 

We’ll have to see how this crisis develops once things become clearer on the ground. 

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A Matter of Respect

From Michael:

"Military historian Victor Davis Hanson of the Hoover Institute writes: "Real peace and successful reconstruction are in direct proportion to the degree to which an enemy has been vanquished - the aim being that an enemy will come to understand that it cannot go on being what it has been"

I have been attempting to re-educate Americans of this truth for years.

In the case of the Middle-East, (and I should know) it is a matter of "respect", our version of the Asian "saving face". Only absolute, brute force is respected in my neighbourhood. The Administration's "Democracy building" policies, coupled with the various [hair brained] ecumenical "outreach to Islam" programmes, have convinced our Islamic enemies that the West is feeble and lacking in determination. Every act of appeasement, whether it is building a school in Iraq or hosting an inter-faith conference in New York, emboldens our enemies and strengthens the cause of the new Caliphate.

Douglas MacArthur forced a vanquished Japan to renounce their cult of Shinto militarism at the end of World War Two. The Japanese Emperor stood before the nation, repudiated his divinity and proclaimed that the Japanese people were not superior to other races. In Islam's war against the West, we have done the opposite. We have spared no effort trying to elevate the cult of Mohammed to the status of a "Religion of Peace" and an equal, if not superior to, our own  Judeo-Christian faiths. This paradoxical reaction to acts of terrorism and the continuing Jihad against the West has encouraged our enemies and made them even more confident of a final victory of the "Great Satan".

Mumbai is the Islamic answer to "Interfaith dialogue", and Gaza is America's future. 

It's a matter of respect.

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Tampa Mayor Pam Iorio signed a Proclamation declaring November 15, 2008 "CAIR Day."

Please sign our PETITION TO MAYOR IORIO urging her to withdraw the Proclamation.



Demonstrators Seek Removal Of Diversity Committee Member

POSTED: 11:21 pm EDT October 21, 2008
UPDATED: 6:52 am EDT October 22, 2008

Volunteer school board committees usually don't spark controversy, but Broward's diversity committee is under a microscope these days, NBC 6 reported.

A man who fellow committee members said has served well for nearly four years is drawing intense criticism for suggesting world governments recognize and negotiate with the Palestinian group Hamas.

At a demonstration in Fort Lauderdale, demonstrators said they want the school board to remove Arab-American Joe Badran from its diversity committee. They claim Badran supports Hamas, and therefore, is unfit to serve.

Terrorism victim Tuly Wultz said Hamas is proud of "teaching and preparing young boys and girls to become suicide bombers."

Wultz's son was killed in Israel by a suicide bomber.

"When you promote killing as something Allah commands, you brainwash children to do so over and over again," Wultz said.

The U.S. government and the European Union consider Hamas a terrorist organization, even though it won a democratic election to govern part of the Palestinian territories.

"We are not against Muslims, we are against terrorism, and that's what this individual represents," demonstration organizer Joe Kaufman said.

Badran said the group has the wrong idea about him. "They're mistaken," Badran said. "I have never, ever supported terrorism; no decent person can ever justify terrorism."

Badran told the school board on Tuesday that he's a victim of character assassination, and a former president of the American Jewish Congress agreed.

Self-described Zionist Jack Lieberman is co-chairman of a group called the Jewish-Arab Dialogue Association.

"Joe, as my co-chair, has consistently spoken out in the Arab community in support of Israel's right to exist, in support of the peace process, and against terrorism and suicide bombings," Lieberman said.

Badran said he supports Israel's right to exist, but "in the context of a two-state solution, a viable, independent Palestinian state as well.

"Regardless of what the school board does or doesn't do about Badran, his term on the school's diversity committee ends next month.

"This individual states that he supports Hamas; I think that's grounds to remove this individual immediately," Kaufman said.But that won't happen, NBC 6 reported. The school board doesn't see Badran as a threat by serving on a committee designed to represent different views.

It is impossible to both support Hamas and support Israel's right to exist.


Because, Hamas openly calls for the destruction of Israel as well as the murder of Jews in their official Charter:

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."

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Thursday, November 27, 2008

Mumbai Hits Home

My cousin works for a REALLY BIG American Corp. that does a substatntial amount of business in Mumbai and he has spent many months there.

When the attacks hit yesterday I recognized the hotel he stays at from his pictures and it's name. My first action was to call his folks to see which continent he is on right now. Happily he is home but pretty stunned by what he sees happening to a place he has become so familiar with.

However, he became good friends with a well placed employee at the hotel. He has been trying to reach him to see how he is faring but thus far, at home or work, has been unable to. (And because of that status both the employee's name and hotel are left out for now.)

To anyone who thinks Mumbai will not have direct personal impact here, that this is not, in small part, what the bastards try to accomplish -- fear, uncertainty etc. -- talk to my cousin.

If I get any info (not likely) and can safely pass it on I will.

p.s. On 9/11 his wife was scheduled to be at a meeting at the convention center that was between the towers, staying at a hotel very nearby. Hotel screwups and she had to stay about a mile away and was late for the meeting.

Another cousin lives a 1/2 hr from Shanksville.

My uncle was on the D.C. beltway enroute to a meeting when his wife called and said turn around now, the Pentagon was just attacked.

Third cousin works for the State Dept. and has had to stay in Georgia. While there she had to eat and drink only what Americans gave her and stay at the hotel unless accompanied by large gentlemen with very large guns.

I take this religious war very personally.


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They Will Keep Pushing

The Home Secretary in Britain announced a new measure that prevents foreign Jihadis from coming to Britain to promote hatred. The Jihadis in Britain responded by having an event where Omar Bakri Muhammad spoke to the British crowd with a live feed. Omar was in Lebanon. The event was covered in an article in the Evening Standard. Here are some excerpts from the article:
More than 250 Muslims at a packed public meeting in Tower Hamlets were told by organizer Anjem Choudary, (a lawyer): "We have a special surprise, a special treat for you. Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad will be joining us on a live feed from Lebanon." He added: "As Muslims, we will not submit to any man-made law, any government, or any prime minister — Bush or Brown — or [to] Jacqui Smith. We submit to Allah."

"It is our religious obligation to prepare ourselves both physically and mentally and rise up against Muslim oppression and take what is rightfully ours," Choudary said. "Jihad is a duty and a struggle and an obligation that lies upon the shoulders of us all. We will not rest until the flag of Allah and the flag of Islam is raised above 10 Downing Street."

To loud cheers of "Allah Akbar" [God is great], he railed: "There are three types of Muslims, those in prison, those of us that are on our way [to prison] and non-practicing Muslims. Brothers and sisters, if you do not fear your home being raided by the Kufar [non-believer] police, you are not enforcing the Sharia."

Apart from a group of elders with long groomed white beards sitting in the front row, most of the 200 men in attendance were Muslims in their late teens or early 20s, mostly dressed in shalwar kameez with westernized accessories — trainers, hoodies and jackets. At the back of the hall, segregated by partitions, were more than 50 women wearing burkhas.

Besides Bakri, there were three other speakers. Each spoke for 40 minutes, their talks interspersed with video clips from Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo that were designed to fuel the meeting's "grievance theme" of Muslims being oppressed by Britain and the West.

Abu Muaz spoke out against UK imams, claiming they are too soft and tolerant. He said that "speech was not enough" and that it was time to "take action". "You must destroy the West," he declared.

But the most provocative was student leader Abu Rumaysah, who spoke to the crowd as if they were trainee terrorists. "Delete unnecessary material from your computers, take precautions not to attract attention to yourself and prepare your family for [police] raids," he said. He added that they should support the families of Muslims who were arrested and that Islam will only take over the UK if Muslims are proactive and enforce Sharia law in their own communities.

When a woman in a burkha asked how he could justify this when Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace, the crowd mocked her. But it was Choudary who rose to put her in her place. "Islam is not a religion of peace," he said. "It is a religion of submission. We need to submit to the will of Allah."
Read the whole article here: Islamic Radicals Make Mockery of Hate Laws.

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The hatred against the Jews is growing in Norway

Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld from the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs held last wednesday a conference in Jerusalem on the growing phenomena of Antisemitism in Norway and Sweden where Norway has become the worst country in Europe in the demonization of Israel.
It made frontpage news in Dagbladet, a heavy left leaning mainstream daily.
The Norwegian and Swedish medias are in particular bad and political correct to the absurd, the anti Israel bias rampant - No wonder such onesided pseudo journalism promotes an ugliness we all recognize so well.

Translated from Dagbladet.

Claims the hatred against the Jews is growing in Norway.

The Antisemitism is growing in Norway, and Norway is the only country which is demoinizing Israel to such a degree, claims the Author Manfred Gerstenfeld. Yesterday [25 Nov.08] at a conference on the specific theme was held in Jerusalem.

JERUSALEM (Dagsavisen): Never before has academics in Israel gathered to a conference to discuss something as uncommon: The antisemitism in Norway and Sweden. But yesterday it happened in Jerusalem.

Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld, The chairman of the conference, claims that Israel in the Norwegian medias to such a degree gets villified, criticized and scorned upon «as if the Israeli state was the representative of evil», while other countries with a lot worse record hardly get similar attention.

- I have never seen such a phenomena, only in Norway, just Norway, is Israel to such a degree pointed out as the unique villain, says Manfred Gerstenfeld to Dagsavisen.

Getting Demonized

Until recently Norway's reputation in Israel has been associated with democracy, a well functioning society, Nobel's peace prize and not the least the Oslo-process. But now the Norwegian rosy picture begins to fade.

In all 65 academics, diplomats and others was yesterday [25 Nov 08] gathered at the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, and the accusations from the stage was very serious.

To back up his case Gerstenfeld provides a long list of cases, including the author Jostein Gaarders infamous contribution in Aftonposten [Norwegian mainstream daily] during the Lebanon war. Gerstenfeld is equally not impressed with the contents of the criticism from Norway.

- To criticize Israel is of course legitimate, this is not what this is about. This is about such a biased focus that it has as an end result become a demonization, a dehumanization, says Gerstenfeld, a Dutch born environmental protection expert who in the last years has worked as a political correspondent.

Other criterias

Not long ago Gerstenfeld published a book called «Behind the face of humanism», which raises the case of Norway and Sweden's relations to Israel. In the book he claims that the state of Israel in Norway is judged from other criterias than other countries. It is exactly that which, according to Gerstenfeld, are the reasons for his accusations that antisemitism is growing in Norway.

Among the participants on the conference yesterday were Zvi Mazel, former ambassador to Sweden, and Ephraim Zuroff from the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Zuroff spoke in addition that Sweden still allows Nazis who participated in war crimes during the second world war gets protection against extradition. Zuroff is in possession of a list with 21 men who still lives in Sweden.

New form of racism

Manfred Gerstenfeld is not surprised that a growing antisemitism is to be found in Scandinavia, countries with outspoken anti-racist and humanistic traditions. He says he is well aware of the human rights work in Norway, but thinks that these traditions paradoxially, has opened a new form of racism.

- A common notion here is that non-white people always are victims. And if you say that, you remove the ability to take responsibility for your own lifes, to be responsible, which is a basic human characteristic. You make people less human, they have become inferior. And this becomes a racism against non-white people whom you to begin with would help, he says.

Gerstenfeld says that it is first and foremost against Africans, and not the case with Israelis, who are exposed to such racism. But the Israelis in the Middle East are instead demonized «were they the greatest criminals against human rights, something they are not», he says, and warns that this has opened a door to a new legitimization of antisemitism.

Anti Israeli

To which degree Israel officially supports the accusations which has been expressed is difficult to measure, but it is no secret that diplomats with the Israeli Foreign Department has claimed that it is Norway of all the countries in Europe where the mood has become most anti-Israeli.

The Israeli Foreign Department was very restrained criticising foreign minister Jonas Gahr Stoere who earlier this month published a book, in which it is claimed that he compares the Jewish settlers with Nazis. Recently the Foreign Department in Oslo arranged a conference which goal was to increase trade between Israel and Norway.


The irony is that the reasearch director at the Holocaust Center, Odd-Bjorn Fure, further lashes out against Israel while claiming 'Not True' saying "It is totally legitimate to to criticise the Israeli state and the various Israeli governments when Israel breaches international human rights and practice a brutal occupation reign" echoing the propaganda which is the whole point - The whole tale smacks of hypocrisy, in particular "The press on guard".

Translated from Dagbladet.

Not True.

There is no reason to claim that the Norwegian [public] opinion has become more antisemitic, according, according to research director Odd-Bjorn Fure at the Holocaust Center.

- It is unquestionable that the opinion on the political level and in the Norwegian public opinion has become more sceptic towards Israel the last years. But to say it is an expression of antisemitism does not hold - It has got nothing to do with antisemitism, says Fure to Dagbladet.

- The Press on guard

He points out that the increased criticism in the public opinion is directed against Israel's policies.
- It is totally legitimate to to criticise the Israeli state and the various Israeli governments when Israel breaches international human rights and practice a brutal occupation reign, says Fure, he does not think Norwegian press can be accused of antisemitism.
- I would rather say on the contrary. Norwegian press is on guard against antisemitism, he says.
Fure believes that from the Israeli side from time to time have claimed unjustified accusations of antisemitism.
- I don't think it is the case with the current [Israeli] government, but in the government of Ariel Sharon you saw attempts of delegitimize legitimate criticism. You can claim that the Norwegian criticism of the Israeli government currently is onesided, undifferenciated and massive, but not that is is antisemitic, says Fure.

No more sludge.

He underscores that nevertheless there occur antisemitic opinions and expressions thereof in Norway.
- In certain situations antisemitic sludge emerges at the surface, when you mix together the actions of the Israeli state and the Jewish people. But that is not at all representative for the general Norwegian public opinion, and I do not have the impression that it have increased the last years, says the research director.
In an article in Aftonposten [Norwegian daily] recently it was claimed by a Norwegian school pupil in Oslo that "Jew" was among the worst slurs in the social circle.
- I have heard the same from other places and this is a deep, deep cause for worry. I do not have any information about how common this is, but if one person is using it as a swearword it is one to many who uses it as a swearword, says Fure, who nevertheless points out that the usage of the wording do not reflect in the public sphere.

- But it is clear that thios phenomena demands a special vigilance in regard to history, says Odd-Bjorn Fure.
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Taliban Schmaliban - The India Attacks, Once Again, Show That Defeating Terrorist Organizations Will Not End This War

From Robert Spencer at Jihad Watch:

Karzai drops political jargon, makes troubling philosophical observations

Such as, "The Afghans don't understand any more how a little force like the Taliban can continue to exist, can continue to flourish, can continue to launch attacks with 40 countries in Afghanistan, with entire NATO force in Afghanistan, with entire international community behind them - yet still we are not able to defeat the Taliban."

Indeed, why is that? Why does this "little force" have so much influence? When will bands like the Taliban -- or, for that matter, al-Qaeda -- be decisively defeated? When does one declare victory?

When one finally appreciates that the ideologies driving such groups are grounded in what they believe to be eternal, immutable commandments from the Almighty, one will understand that the threat of radical Islam is not temporal, that it transcends time and space, that it transcends grievances and psychoanalyses, that it, and its peculiar institution, jihad, have existed from the dawn of Islam and are not about to go away anytime soon; or what I dub, the Hydra-Monstersyndrome.

"Afghan President doubts NATO's war against terrorism in Afghanistan," by Farhad Peikar forSouth Asia News, November 26 (thanks to Jeffrey Imm):

Kabul - Seven years after the fall of the Taliban in the US- led invasion in Afghanistan, the NATO war on terrorism remains 'unclear', President Hamid Karzai said on Wednesday - and demanded a timeline for its success.

'This fight against terrorism and civilian casualties has been continuing for the past seven years. Our villages are bombarded, our people are getting killed,' Karzai told a joint press conference with NATO Secretary General Jaap De Hoop Scheffer in his presidential palace.

Karzai said Afghanistan was burning because of 'a war which is unclear what it is for, and what we are doing.'

Karzai's remarks came a day after he told the representatives of 14 members of the UN Security Council in Kabul that the Afghan people wanted to know that how long the fight against terrorism would continue.

'The Afghans don't understand any more how a little force like the Taliban can continue to exist, can continue to flourish, can continue to launch attacks with 40 countries in Afghanistan, with entire NATO force in Afghanistan, with entire international community behind them - yet still we are not able to defeat the Taliban,' Karzai's office said in a statement.

The UNSC delegation headed by Giulio Terzi, Italy's ambassador to the Security Council arrived in Kabul for a three-day-visit on Monday.

'It is better that you should set a timeline for your victory, for the victory of all us against terrorism. Not a timeline for withdrawal, but set a date when this war can succeed, and under what conditions this war can succeed,' Karzai told reporters...

A profound question with critical implications.

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