Saturday, May 23, 2009

Could All Particles Be Mini Black Holes?

I love this. This tickles my brain, and soul, in a way I can't explain.


The idea that all particles are mini black holes has major implications for both particle physics and astrophysics, say scientists.
Thursday, May 14, 2009

Could it really be possible that all particles are mini-black holes? That's the tantalising suggestion from Donald Coyne from UC Santa Cruz (now deceased) and D C Cheng from the Almaden Research Center near San Jose.

Black holes are regions of space in which gravity is so strong that nothing, not even light, can escape.

The trouble with gravity is that on anything other than an astrophysical scale, it is so weak that it can safely be ignored. However, many physicists have assumed that on the tiniest scale, the Planck scale, gravity regains its strength. 

In recent years some evidence to support this contention has emerged from string theory where gravity plays a stronger role in higher dimensional space. It's only in our four dimensional space that gravity appears so weak. 

Since these dimensions become important only on the Planck scale, it's at that level that gravity re-asserts itself. And if that's the case, then mini-black holes become a possibility.

Coyne and Cheng ask what properties black holes might have on that scale and it turns out that they may be far more varied than anyone imagined. The quantisation of space on this level means that mini-black holes could turn up at all kinds of energy levels. They predict the existence of huge numbers of black hole particles at different energy level. So common are these black holes that the authors suggest that: 

"All particles may be varying forms of stabilized black holes"

That's an ambitious claim that'll need plenty of experimental backing. The authors say this may come from the LHC, which could begin to probe the energies at which these kinds of black holes will be produced. 

The authors end with the caution that it would be wrong to think of the LHC as a "black hole factory"; not because it won't produce black holes (it almost certainly will), but because, if they are right, every other particle accelerator in history would have been producing black holes as well.

In fact, if this thinking is correct, there's a very real sense in which we are made from black holes. Curious! 

Ref: arxiv.org/abs/0905.1667: A Scenario for Strong Gravity in Particle Physics: An Alternative Mechanism for Black Holes to Appear at Accelerator Experiments




I’m not that sharp on Physics, but here’s a question;

Could the idea that all particles are a type of mini black hole, perhaps, explain “Dark Matter”?

For one thing, the idea that “all particles” are black holes is clearly speculative, and probably just a “hip” scientist way of saying, hey, some of these particles could be mini black holes.

Hence,

“Coyne and Cheng ask what properties black holes might have on that scale and it turns out that they may be far more varied than anyone imagined. The quantisation of space on this level means that mini-black holes could turn up at all kinds of energy levels. They predict the existence of huge numbers of black hole particles at different energy level.”

To me, it sounds like they are either saying 

1) that any given particle could be a turn into a black hole, 

Or 

2) that, some particles, based upon their makeup, could turn into black holes.

In that case, we may have found the origin of Dark Matter.

What do you think?

Am I full of it?

10 comments:

Reliapundit said...

NONSENSE.

we live in 4 dimensions, but there are more.

distance and scale are irrelevant in the others.

in those dimensions, there is no "there" - only "here"; everything is connected instantaneously.

not by black energy or black matter: but by G-d.

Pastorius said...

Hi RP,
I found this at a blog called; Rhymes With Cars and Girls.

I think you might be interested in my comment there:

I’m not that sharp on Physics, but here’s a question;

Could the idea that all particles are a type of mini black hole, perhaps, explain “Dark Matter”?

For one thing, the idea that “all particles” are black holes is clearly speculative, and probably just a “hip” scientist way of saying, hey, some of these particles could be mini black holes.

Hence,

“Coyne and Cheng ask what properties black holes might have on that scale and it turns out that they may be far more varied than anyone imagined. The quantisation of space on this level means that mini-black holes could turn up at all kinds of energy levels. They predict the existence of huge numbers of black hole particles at different energy level.”

To me, it sounds like they are saying that any given particle could be a turn into a black hole. Or that, some particles, based upon their makeup, could turn into black holes.

In that case, we may have found the origin of Dark Matter.

What do you think?

Am I full of it?

Abu Abdullah said...

It's just hype. Some two-bit scientists sexing up their mental masturbation to promote themselves.

VadimM said...

Pastorius, resign..;-)

Just Cause said...

Hey Pastorius, not sure about whether this means we've found the origin of dark matter considering scientists can't actually define what dark matter is, only that it might exist based on the gravitational effects on visible matter. Alternative I suspect this means that dark matter doesn't have to exist for the gravitational anomolies to be explained. The photon experiment boggles my mind where a light beam is shone through an open filter onto a surface and a round beam is seen on the surface. Then the verical filters are slowly closed which you would expect the circular beam on the surface to start reducing from the top and bottom but instead it spreads horizontally! I believe this experiment proves that photons are dualistic i.e. particles and waves at the same time. Much like Islam is dualistic, peaceful (ahem) and barbaricly violent, oppressive, backward, retarded all at once - had to get that in. Perhaps if particles are black holes it might explain this phenonomen?

It definitely explains the risk of creating blackholes when running the huge particular accelerator at CERN. Personally, if it advances science and perhaps allow us to harness vast amounts of energy from very little matter I think the risk is worth it :-)

Pastorius said...

Vadim M,
I take it you actually do know this subject, as opposed to being a two-bit speculative idiot like me.

Pastorius said...

Just Cause,

You said:not sure about whether this means we've found the origin of dark matter considering scientists can't actually define what dark matter is, only that it might exist based on the gravitational effects on visible matter. Alternative I suspect this means that dark matter doesn't have to exist for the gravitational anomolies to be explained.


I say: Actually, that's what I meant. You put it into words better than I did.

Thanks.

I didn't even know about the photon experiment. Although I am aware of the dualistic nature of Islam ... I mean, matter ...

Wait, you are talking about PHOTONS, not atoms ...

Hmm, didn't know about that either.

Interesting.

I should never write on this subject. I'm such an idiot (picture guy from Boogie Nights banging on steering wheel).

Damien said...

Pastorius,

I've watched several science programs on the subject, of mini, or microscopic black holes. They are harmless because the tend to dissipate rather quickly. They don't destroy much like stellar mass and super mass cousins. Here's more information on the subject.

Anonymous said...

that was above mine and ozero's pay grade, but I have known some women who's personalities were black holes.

Damien said...

Rumcrook,

I take it you're not into science?