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Saturday, February 01, 2014

Any of Mr. Obama like this?

Any questions?
Any of Mr. Obama like this?
Any questions?
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Metropolitan Orchestra The Netherlands, Tribute to Zawinul

Playlist: 1. ? 
2. Night Passaga (@0:04:14) 
3. Juggler (@0:09:43) 
4. In a silent Way (@0:15:32) 
5. Tower Silence (@0:19:48) 
6. Elegant People (@0:26:16) 
7. Dream Clock (@0:32:46) 
8. Fast City (@0:40:22) 
9. Peace (@0:46:16) 
10. Nubian Sundance (@0:57:25) 

Peter Erskine-drums 
Victor Bailey-bass 
Jim Beard-keys 
Alex Acuna-percussion 
Amit Chatterjee-guitar,vocals



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Buyers' Remorse

Some of us tried to sound the alarm, but we were ignored:
Labor union officials say Obama betrayed them in health-care rollout

Labor leaders who have spent months lobbying unsuccessfully for special protections under the Affordable Care Act warned this week that the White House’s continued refusal to help is dampening union support for Democratic candidates in this year’s midterm elections.

Leaders of two major unions, including the first to endorse Obama in 2008, said they have been betrayed by an administration that wooed their support for the 2009 legislation with promises to later address the peculiar needs of union-negotiated insurance plans that cover millions of workers.

Their complaints reflect a broad sense of disappointment among many labor leaders, who say the Affordable Care Act has subjected union health plans to new taxes and mandates while not allowing them to share in the subsidies that have gone to private insurance companies competing on the newly created exchanges.

After dozens of frustrating meetings with White House officials over the past year, including one with Obama, a number of angry labor officials say their members are far less likely to campaign and turn out for Democratic candidates in the midterm elections....


Taylor said Unite Here officials have met with White House officials 48 times. At the time the health-care bill was being considered, he said, “we were told that ‘if there were problems, don’t worry, we’ll get them fixed.’ ”

“We thought that if we made the case to the agencies dealing with regulations to correct problems that hurt, really destroy, self-funded nonprofit health plans, it would be resolved,” Taylor said. “That clearly was naive or stupid.”
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Into the Fray: My prediction – coming true with chilling precision

From Will at THE OTHER NEWS:

Into the Fray: My prediction – coming true with chilling precision.(JPost). By MARTIN SHERMAN.

A political tsunami is building that is threatening to wash away almost half a century of Zionist endeavor.

On Saturday night, the boycott of Israel gained an impressive new level of mainstream recognition in this country. Channel 2 News, easily the most watched, most influential news show here, ran a heavily promoted piece… on the boycott in its 8 p.m. primetime program

The piece was remarkable not only for its length and prominence, but even more so because it did not demonize the boycott movement, it didn’t blame the boycott on anti-Semitism. 

Instead, top-drawer reporter Dana Weiss treated the boycott as an established, rapidly growing presence that sprang up because of Israel’s settlement policy and whose only remedy is that policy’s reversal. 

– Larry Derfner, Boycott goes primetime in Israel, January 19.
There is, in fact, a groundswell of “elite” (read: Leftist) opinion building in favor of unilateral Israeli withdrawal in the West Bank.
– David Weinberg, The Impatient Israeli Political Left, January 28.
Last June, I published a column, “My prediction: Please help prove it wrong,” in which I warned that “A determined domestic thrust is under way to compress Israel back into its precarious pre-1967 frontiers, imperilling the viability of Jewish sovereignty.”

Three emerging threats.

Elaborating on my “strong premonition of dire things to come,” I predicted the emergence of three pernicious and interconnected processes, now materializing with alarming speed before our very eyes.
1. I forecast that the issue of anti-Israel sanctions would be raised with increasing intensity and frequency in the public discourse, and the threat, allegedly because of continued construction (indeed, existence) of Jewish communities across the pre-1967 lines (a.k.a., pejoratively, “settlements”), would be featured with increasing prominence in the mainstream media.
2. I then cautioned that, as a result of this, soon a wide-ranging campaign would be launched against the “settlers,” singling them out as the fundamental cause of the sanctions and casting blame on them for inflicting international isolation and economic pain on the rest of the country.
3. I warned that, as it becomes ever-more apparent that the impasse between Israel and Palestinian Arabs cannot be resolved consensually, Israel’s leaders will begin to capitulate under the perceived pressure of sanctions and embrace the idea of unilateral withdrawal from Judea-Samaria. Since coercive eviction of large numbers of Jews resident in the evacuated areas would be operationally infeasible and politically untenable, I foresaw the adoption of a policy of “benign” abandonment. This would mean that Jewish residents/communities would be left to the tender mercies of some prospective Palestinian regime.
Writing on the wall?Read the full story here.
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We Want Miles

Full album

1. Jean-Pierre 0:00
2. Back Seat Betty 10:39
3. Fast Track 18:53
4. Jean-Pierre 34:06
5. My Man's Gone Now 38:03
6. Kix 58:08

Miles Davis -- Trumpet
Bill Evans -- Soprano saxophone
Mike Stern -- Electric guitar
Marcus Miller -- Bass guitar
Al Foster -- Drums
Mino Cinelu -- Percussion
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Video - The Muslim Agenda - Full Movie - Warning contains Disturbing images

From Will at THE OTHER NEWS:

The Muslim Agenda - Full Movie - Warning contains Disturbing images.

NBT Films presents 'The Muslim Agenda', a movie which exposes the shocking truth about islam, it's incompatibility with western ideals and it's cult-like ideology. The contents of the film exposes the evil verses and teachings taken directly from the Quran and Hadiths and demonstrates it's sick doctrine of hate, gender inequality, intolerance of homosexuals, anti-semitism, racial discrimination and permission for muslim men to indulge in sex slavery, child rape and molestation.

The Muslim Agenda also exposes other diabolical facet's of the faith, including islam's culture of psychological indoctrination, guilt complex, and mind control which is imposed on young impressionable muslim men to commit jihad. The final end game through acts of jihad, is a worldwide controlled caliphate whereby Sharia law is forced upon all mankind and subjugation of all non-muslims must take place. This is the ultimate desire of all devout muslims who remain faithful to the divisive and destructive religious tenets set by Muhammad, the prophet of islam.

Please help NBT films by donating with Paypal on our channel.

Chapter contents:

1. Introduction

2. Islam 101

3. Sharia Law

4. Jihad

5. Islamic Caliphate

6. Legal enquiry

Hmmm.....I think there should be more focus on the Difference between a peaceful Muslim and an Islamist.
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Ex-Agent Confirms Worst Suspicions About TSA: “We Laugh At Naked Bodies And Take Snow Globes From Children, Apple Butter From Old Ladies”

TSA Official Inspects Cannon Balls

From the Daily Mail:
A former TSA officer has confirmed many of the worst suspicions about airport security screeners: they stop passengers for having an attitude, they confiscate snow globes from children and nail clippers from pilots, they profile passengers based on their nationality. 
And yes, they do see travelers naked in the X-ray photos. I 
n a confessional piece for Politico, former TSA agent-turned-writer Jason Harrington spills the secrets on the ways that the security workers pass the time during their long shifts. 
‘I confiscated jars of homemade apple butter on the pretense that they could pose threats to national security. I was even required to confiscate nail clippers from airline pilots—the implied logic being that pilots could use the nail clippers to hijack the very planes they were flying,’ he wrote.
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How wars begin: CHAPTER 2618

First comes an expanding navy backed by the profits and taxes shriven from increased production.
Then comes the shipborne disputes over uninhabited islands which MAY be sitting on huge reserves of oil and gas.
Then comes the ADIZ by China and attempts to ENFORCE Chinese sovereignty. 
Then comes US advice to all US airlines to COMPLY with the Chinese demands.
Then comes the Japanese public disgust and chagrin with the USA by their govt as THEY expand their navy with carrier which CAN PHYSICALLY operate the F-35’s.
Then comes the announcement that Japan for the first time since the 1930’s, will have a National Security Council (this week).
And now, …

New Japanese Teaching Guidelines Treat Senkakus, Kurils, Takeshima As ‘Integral Territories’

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The White Blind Light

Your home is still here
Inviolate and certain
Thank you, oh Lord
For the White Blind Light
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Islamic Group Once Listed As Co-Conspirator in Terror Case, With Ties To Muslim Brotherhood, Receives Thousands In Federal Farm Subsidies

Gee, I don't know how this could happen.

From Fox:
An Islamic organization once listed by the Justice Department as a co-conspirator in a high-profile terror case is among many groups that have received thousands in federal farm subsidies, without producing any crops. 
The subsidies to the North American Islamic Trust are just a slice of the questionable payments that, as has been well documented, go to millionaires and non-farmers every year. But as Congress moves to rein in the program, these subsidies stand out considering the group’s involvement in the Holy Land Foundation case of 2008. 
During the trial, the group’s farm subsidies stopped, only to be reinstated after a federal judge cleared them. Records show that since 1998, the North American Islamic Trust has received over $10,000 across 34 separate taxpayer-funded programs. NAIT’s two relatively small land plots are tax-zoned as “agricultural” — but they aren’t developed. 
The group has been able to obtain farm subsidies legally without producing any crops because it is a nonprofit “charity group” landowner — so it received subsidies on top of being tax-exempt. “Organizations with no history in agriculture are getting in on taxpayer-provided farm subsidies,” said Adam Andrzejewski, founder of the transparency database OpenTheBooks.com and former Republican candidate for governor of Illinois.
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Friday, January 31, 2014

Insanity Rules! Maine: Court Orders That Boy Must Be Allowed To Use Girl's Bathroom - UPDATED AND BUMPED: Father, Wayne Maines, Is An Activist and Huffington Post Contributor

From Maine's Portland Press Herald:
Maine’s highest court: Transgender student’s rights were violated

Nicole Maines’ school was wrong to require the fifth-grader to use a unisex bathroom, justices rule in a historic gender-identity decision that could be a model for other states.

The rights of a transgender girl from Orono were violated when school administrators made her use a staff bathroom at her elementary school instead of the girls’ restroom, the Maine Supreme Judicial Court ruled Thursday.

The ruling is the first in which a state supreme court has affirmed a transgender person’s right to equal access to restrooms in places of public accommodation.

Lawyers representing Nicole Maines, who is now 16, said the decision could lay a foundation for other states’ courts that are facing questions about the emerging rights of people who identify as the opposite of their birth gender....
Read the rest HERE. You have to read it to believe that this is the sorry condition into which America has descended by leaps and bounds.

BTW, the court's ruling was 5-1. The decision wasn't even close.


Nicole's father, Wayne Maines, is a Transgender Activist and Huffington Post contributor.

I'm guessing there will be a lot more to dig up on this guy.

UPDATE - Wayne  Maines has a Phd. from West Virginia University

I want to find out what field his Phd. is in. 


UPDATE - In this video, Wayne Maines claimes, with a smirk, that he is "a former Republican."

UPDATE - Here, Maines claims he was "a Ronald Reagan Conservative," and that he is still a Conservative.

If that's the case, then why does he smirk in the above video?

UPDATE - I think this is his Doctoral Thesis, published in book form.

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Zac Brown Band
Sweet Annie

Colder Weather


Chicken Fried

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British Muslim's Message To Obama

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Interesting Reactions To The 2014 SOTU

This morning, a client told me about this video, and I stumbled upon it during blog rounds just now (hat tip to Capitalist Preservation):

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GAME OVER: Poll: 'Islam in Europe' sends shivers down the back.

From Will at THE OTHER NEWS:

Poll: 'Islam in Europe' sends shivers down the back.(IsraelFlash).

An investigation that sends shivers down the back - below a chart with 3 questions.

  • 60% of Muslims demand a return to the roots of Islam 
  • 75% accept only one reading of the Koran, without interpretation 
  • 65% believe that religious laws are more important than local civil laws 
  • 44% agreed with the all three rules, characterizing the fact "fundamentalist." 
  • For comparison, the percentages for Christians are 13-21%, with only 4% combining three rules defining fundamentalism.

Religious fundamentalism among Muslims is not a marginal phenomenon in Western Europe.

This is the result of migration researchers Ruud Koopmans from the Social Science Research Center Berlin (WZB) in its evaluation of a representative survey of immigrants and natives in six European countries. 

  • Two-thirds of surveyed Muslims hold religious laws therefore more important than the laws of the country in which they live. 
  • Three-quarters of them found there is only one possible interpretation of the Koran. 
  • Almost 60 percent of Muslim respondents rejected homosexuals depart as friends, 
  • 45 percent think that you can not trust Jews, 
  • and just as many believe that the West wants to destroy Islam. (From LSGabriel and Kewil)
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Scarlett, Sodastream and Superbowl the PERFECT STORM to bring BDS to a head

BDS= Boycott Divest Sanction
One of Sodastream’s facilities sits in Male Aduumim in the near Jerusalem West Bank. It is in an area which in the spring of 1967 as it became OBVIOUS Nasser was going wage a ‘war of annihilation’, which Israel HOPED along with all of East Jerusalem would REMAIN with Jordan. In fact Abba Eban the Foreign Minister of Israel, repeatedly used the USA to tell Jordan’s King Hussein if HE would restrain himself from attacking Israel, then Israel would take NO ACTION against Jordan in Jordan or in the West Bank. 
Of course, he attacked Israel, and then the West Bank, rather become part of an Arab ruled (and presumably settled) Palestine sitting on an annihilated Israel, became instead conquered Israeli territory.
But this facility as Johannson states .. well …from JTA:
The Israeli company, which sells a popular kitchen gadget that turns tap water into carbonated drinks, has a large factory in a West Bank settlement. When SodaStream announced that it would run an ad during the Super Bowl, the pro-Palestinian boycott campaign against the company reached a fever pitch.
But for hundreds of Palestinians, SodaStream isn’t a target; it’s their employer.
On a recent afternoon, women wearing hijabs hurried to their shifts at the plant located in Ma’ale Adumin, a suburban settlement about 15 minutes west of Jerusalem. Some 500 West Bank Palestinians work at the site, in addition to 400 Arabs from eastern Jerusalem and a mix of 200 Israeli Jews and foreign workers, including refugees from Africa.
The Maale Adumim factory has an on-site mosque and a synagogue, and Jewish and Arab employees share the same dining hall. SodaStream has two other facilities in Israel, in Ashkelon and the Galilee town of Mount Tabor. The Galilee factory employs several hundred Israeli Arabs.
“Everyone works together: Palestinians, Russians, Jews,” a Palestinian employee named Rasim at the Maale Adumim site told JTA. Rasim has worked at the plant for four months and asked that his last name not be published. “Everything is OK. I always work with Jews. Everyone works together, so of course we’re friends.”
For SodaStream CEO Daniel Birnbaum, treating Arabs and Jews equally is a doctrine, not a convenience.
“We practice equality and full cooperation both on the job and off it,” Birnbaum told the Arab publication Al Monitor in a recent interview.
Israel HAS MULTIPLE times in it’s history abandoned conquered lands for peace. Sinai in 1956 and upon peace with Egypt after 1973. This required REMOVING settlers.
Southern Lebanon after 2000.
Gaza in 2005. This required REMOVING settlers. By force.
Israel now administers lands which it retains, because recent (and all) history indicates Arabs are not prepared to accept Israel’s existence as a Jewish homeland AND PEACE in return for Arab rule in the West Bank. Thus Israel’s existence in any form as a Jewish homeland is maintained by FORCE OF ARMS. Because no Arab in power will make this peace, this continues. Because no Arab in power will make this peace, others with delusional ideas about Israel and the Arabs, some of whom want to liken Jews to Nazis, believe Israel occupies this land illegally.
Others such as Oxfam. Others such as the American Studies Association.
So let this Sodastream plant and the firm Ms. Johannson serve as the icon for this struggle.
Sodastream and Ms Johannson are examples of the way Israeli people want peace to be. No difference between Arabs and Jews. A dream.  Really a dream. As we can see.
Oxfam and too many others want to destroy that small achievement because no Arab in power will accept a Jewish state ON OTHER LANDS, and want to render those employees JOBLESS in the West Bank.
Those are the sides.
Sodastream can just tear down the plant and rebuild in any other part of Israel. Problem solved.
Why don’t they?
When he was invited to the Israeli president’s residence recently to receive an award, Birnbaum brought with him a few Palestinian employees and insisted on undergoing the same rigorous security checks to which they were subjected, Birnbaum told Al Monitor. When it came time for Birnbaum’s speech, he broke with protocol and publicly upbraided his host, President Shimon Peres, for the unequal treatment that his Palestinian workers had received, including strip searches down to their underwear.
“We are committed to continue serving as a bridge and to sowing hope,” Birnbaum said in his speech. “Who knows as well as you, Mr. Peres, how important it is to remain optimistic that one day there will be peace?”
SodaStream’s case, some say, is one example of how boycotting an Israeli company doing business in the West Bank can end up hurting the very goals that boycott proponents say they are trying to achieve: Palestinian rights and Israel-Palestinian peace.
Barring Arab abandonment of Right of Return (= no Israel), all this will go on FOREVER.
Because of this it’s hard to envision a future without multiple other wars. Each one is a war Israel must win or die. Each victory will bring more conquered territory.
How STUPID is Oxfam?
How strong and smart is Scarlett Johannson?

Coke Backs BDS Group Trying to Cripple Israeli Soda Competitor

Coca Cola has donated millions to the anti-Israel group Oxfam International, which is currently backing a campaign to boycott an Israeli soda company that competes directly with Coke.
Oxfam has taken the lead in recent days in a campaign to boycott SodaStream, an Israeli-based beverage manufacturer that is under fire from supporters of the anti-Israel Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
The battle between SodaStream and BDS supporters has heated up in recent days after actress Scarlett Johansson severed her ties with Oxfam over its anti-Israel activism.
BDS supporters have also gone after Johansson, who is currently serving as SodaStream’s spokesperson.
One of SodaStream’s most prominent competitors—the Coca Cola company—has donated more than $2.5 million to Oxfam over the past several years, leading some to wonder if Coke is supporting Oxfam as a means to defeat the competition.
“In 2011, Coca Cola contributed $400,000 to a research project ‘analyzing the poverty footprint of beverage giant Coca Cola and multinational bottling company SABMiller in Zambia and El Salvador’ and, in addition, $2.5 million in 2008-2010 for humanitarian work,” the website Israellycool.com reported on Friday.
“The question remains: Is Oxfam’s opposition to SodaStream and Scarlett Johansson’s role as brand ambassador due to their anti-Israel bias or pro-Coke bias?” the website asks.
Neither Coca-Cola nor Oxfam responded to requests for comment.
PepsiCo spokesperson Jeff Dahncke declined to comment when reached by theWashington Free Beacon.
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EU Marks Holocaust Remembrance Day Without Ever Mentioning Jews

From the Jerusalem Post:
Baroness Catherine Ashton, the European Union’s high representative for foreign affairs and vice president of the European Commission, issued a statement this week marking international Holocaust Remembrance Day. 
It was commendable that the EU at all chose to note the day, but what Ashton said on its behalf on Monday was surreal. 
She managed to use 121 words without ever mentioning Jews. Her glaring omission is quite remarkable. 
Ashton even lauded “all those who acted with courage and sacrifice to protect their fellow citizens against persecution.” But who were these nameless “fellow citizens”? 
It is highly doubtful that Ashton’s lapse is inadvertent. Not everything can be ascribed to unintentional slipups.
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Lauren Alaina
Georgia Peaches

18 Inches

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France: "Day of Rage" Protest On the Eve of the Holocaust Remembrance Day Features Ugly, Loud Anti-Semitism

From Ace of Spades:

In the video below, "Juif" -- their favorite word -- means Jew, of course. The first thing said is Juif, casse-toi, La France n'est pas à toi!

This means something like: "Jew, get the hell out, France is not for you."


UPDATE, from Vlad Tepes ---
On January 27th in France, an amazing march took place of 17,000 people chanting and marching for secularism and a return to French values for France. It was truly something. Sadly, at the end of the march, something like 150 dough headed Nazis mixed with Dieudonne fans marched at the back of the throng chanting against Jews and in favor of gas chambers. Sadly, some media, including some Jewish media, dishonestly reported the event making it look like it was all about antisemitism and not what it really was. The video below was the tail end of the march, taking advantage of the massive crowd that was there for the right reasons.
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Thursday, January 30, 2014

Amnesty, Border Security and Immigration are 3 separate issues - TREAT THEM THAT WAY

Ted Cruz is going nuts over his CORRECT tactical interpretation of what House republicans might do by getting BEHIND anything perceived as amnesty. It might so demoralize and disillusion the republicans that turnout is destroyed.
And no one is left insisting on border security.



Low/No Info Voters:

This argument about attitudes which Coulter (someone I normally agree with) makes little difference. It’s been going on since Andrew Jackson was elected by the semi literate, illiterate ‘low class’, ignorant westerners whose background and attitudes were UTTERLY different from those Virginia and other gentlemen who wrote the Declaration, and consummated their ideas as the USA in 1789 (in 6 pages).
The argument was made again as the Irish and Germans swarmed across our coasts in the 1840’s and 50’s and was repeated on the other coast with millions of Japanese and Chinese.
Then came the eastern and southern Europeans from about 1885 through 1924.
More recently Vietnamese and other Asians have swarmed to us.
With each wave many despaired of the values of ‘real americans’.
'They' are not like 'us'.
'They' do not share our values.
'They' will ruin America.

NEWSFLASH: There is no way back or out

We ARE and will always be an immigrant society. Hell, even the so called natives came across the Bering Sea.
With each wave, sooner or later those values we hold as making US, US have penetrated even as every single wave was said to be DIFFERENT.
If we finally FAIL to allow what we are to penetrate into the immigrants coming here the fault is OURS. It is because the Bill Ayers’, and Bernadine Dorn’s make up the syllabus nationwide. It is not because 12 million Mexicans are here illegally. It is not because all kinds of people want to be here. It is up to us to EDUCATE about our values and insist they be tested to become one of us.

Amnesty: An anathema.

We have illegals here en masse. We are not putting them on buses and boxcars and deporting them. FORGET THAT. People who dream of mass deportations ARE fringe extremists. We need some STRICT path to legal status and deportation of those who ignore that path. To hell with the Chamber of Commerce. This is too important for that. That path should one which takes equal time to reach citizenship as someone who immigrates legally. And it should be traversed with numerous checks per year.

Border Security

COMPULSORY for either immigration reform or changes of the status of illegals. The conversation begins there, and if it does not get past that, nothing else happens.
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Scarlett Johansson Quits Oxfam Over Group’s Anti-Israel Stance

From Newsmax:
US actress Scarlett Johansson has quit as global ambassador for Oxfam after the aid group deemed the role "incompatible" with her promotion of an Israeli firm that has a factory in the occupied West Bank. 
Johansson, 29, appears in an advertisement for home drinks carbonation firm SodaStream, which is due to air during the US Super Bowl on Sunday. 
It has already been seen more than 4.5 million times on the YouTube video-sharing website. The Hollywood star has worked for Oxfam since 2005 but the British-based aid agency said she had stepped down due to her role with SodaStream. 
A statement released by Johansson's spokesman Wednesday said the 29-year-old actress has "a fundamental difference of opinion" with Oxfam International because the humanitarian group opposes all trade from Israeli settlements, saying they are illegal and deny Palestinian rights. 
"Scarlett Johansson has respectfully decided to end her ambassador role with Oxfam after eight years," the statement said. 
"She and Oxfam have a fundamental difference of opinion in regards to the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement. She is very proud of her accomplishments and fundraising efforts during her tenure with Oxfam." 
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Pennsylvania Employees Discover Massive Cost Increase With New Obamacare Plans (Video)

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Iran's 'FINAL DEAL': Disabling Instead of Dismantling?

From Will at THE OTHER NEWS:

Iran's 'FINAL DEAL':  Disabling Instead of Dismantling?HT: Nukes of Hazard.

Last week, in an interview with CNN's Fareed Zakaria in Davos, Switzerland, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani stated that Iran will not destroy any of its approximately 19,000 centrifuges, roughly 10,000 of which are currently being used to enrich uranium.

Critics of the ongoing diplomatic process unsurprisingly jumped on Rouhani's remarks as evidence that Iran is negotiating in bad faith and will never take the steps necessary to ensure that its program cannot be used to make bombs - despite the fact that it wasn't entirely clear from the discussion whether Zakaria was referring to the first step deal agreed to last November (which clearly doesn't require the destruction of any centrifuges) or a final agreement, which has yet to be negotiated,

Even supporters of the first step agreement expressed grave concern about Rouhani's apparent ultimatum. Bloomberg’s Jeffrey Goldberg called it a “bad sign” and Zakaria himself warned of a coming diplomatic “train wreck”.

Everyone needs to calm down.

The November 2013 first step agreement between the P5+1 and Iran verifiably caps Iran's nuclear program and rolls back its most proliferation sensitive aspect: the stockpiling and production of uranium enriched to 20%. In return, Iran will receive approximately $7 billion in sanctions relief (assuming of course that it lives up to its obligations under the deal).

However, neither side intends this to be the end state of the diplomatic process. The P5+1 rightly seeks much greater constraints on Iran's program (including but not confined to limits on the number of centrifuges) and Tehran seeks much greater relief from sanctions. Constructing a deal that meets the requirements of both sides is the subject of the next round of talks, which are slated to get underway in February.

Citing a recent report by the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), a respected authority on the technical aspects of Iran's nuclear program, Goldberg argues that Iran would have to dismantle 15,000 centrifuges as part of any acceptable final deal, since merely mothballing them and leaving them in Iran would allow the regime to quickly start spinning them again. 

But this is a gross misreading of what the ISIS report proposes regarding centrifuges. In fact, ISIS more or less recommends the mothballing approach Goldberg says is a non-starter. 

The report states that as part of a final deal that keeps Iran 6-12 months away from a breakout capacity, Iran will need to cap the number of centrifuges at roughly 4000 (down from the current 19,000) and that excess centrifuges must be turned off, disabled in a manner so as to require at least one month to restart their operation, and then stored in locations separate from the operating centrifuges under strict IAEA supervision. 

The stored centrifuges would only be unsealed to replace or provide spare parts to repair broken centrifuges from among those still spinning. 

Under this scenario, then, Iran may not be forced to technically dismantle any centrifuges, depending on how one defines “dismantle”. There are undeniably other ways to limit Iran's domestic centrifuge capacity without requiring that Iran physically put its centrifuges to the band saw.

At this point it’s not at all clear what Rouhani meant by dismantlement or what end state he and the Supreme Leader would or would not accept. Indeed, it would be surprising if Rouhani publicly revealed exactly what he would be willing to countenance as part of a final deal, given that talks have scarcely gotten off the ground. A long and difficult negotiation, which will encompass far more than the issue of centrifuges, is ahead of us and we shouldn’t rush to judgment based on limited information.

It's also important to remember that there are many critics of diplomacy back in Iran and Rouhani is certainly mindful of this fact. He is seeking to paint his efforts in the toughest light possible to his domestic audience, which is divided about the merits of limiting Iran’s nuclear program.

This also in large part explains Iran's strong reactions to U.S. characterizations of certain aspects of the first step deal as "dismantlement." But what matters at the end of the day is the text of the agreement, which identifies clear steps that each side must take. The same will be the case regarding whatever final deal is reached. The rest is just political theater. 

This is not to downplay the potential costs of domestic posturing. The more Rouhani says that Iran will not accept any dismantlement of Iran’s nuclear program, the harder it could be for him to accept and sell back home the significant roll back that will undoubtedly be demanded.

Likewise, the more Obama administration officials say that Iran must dismantle large parts of its nuclear infrastructure, the more difficult it could be to find creative solutions that verifiably keep Iran from the bomb and to convince Congress to move on the significant sanctions relief that will be required to secure Iranian concessions. 

But Rouhani’s dismantlement comment shouldn’t be grounds for excessive hyperventilation. A good final deal can be achieved without physically destroying centrifuges.

President Obama has stated that he believes the odds of reaching a final deal with Iran on its nuclear program are no better than 50-50. There is no doubt that the next round of talks will be enormously challenging and that significant gaps between the two sides will need to be closed. But these talks are the best chance we have to ensure that Iran’s nuclear program can’t be used to develop bombs. We should give our negotiators the space and flexibility they need to explore what might be possible.
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